RFK jr to announce ban on all vaccines until he understands what they are

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ZenMode said:
That would only apply if Trump was still President and the accused had been charged, convicted and sentenced, right? Presidents can't pardon someone who hasn't been convicted and is "doing time"? (I'm legitimately asking)
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With Patel in charge of the FBI, who is going to investigate these cabinet members so long as they are in Trump's good graces? No investigation, no conviction, no need for a pardon.
 
ZenMode said:
That would only apply if Trump was still President and the accused had been charged, convicted and sentenced, right? Presidents can't pardon someone who hasn't been convicted and is "doing time"? (I'm legitimately asking)
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See Richard Nixon
 
dcphx said:
With Patel in charge of the FBI, who is going to investigate these cabinet members so long as they are in Trump's good graces? No investigation, no conviction, no need for a pardon.
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Yep. It's really almost breathtakingly simple - if your investigative agencies don't investigate anyone who is on your side, then there are no arrests, no trials, and no convictions. Or you simply put your people in charge of said agencies like the FBI and they just stop or suppress anything that might be embarrassing to your side. Meanwhile, you have said agencies investigate the other side to the nth degree - go over their tax returns, emails, internet usage, anything really, with a fine-toothed comb, and don't hesitate to arrest and prosecute out of all proportion to the supposed crime. Or even just make up shit. And really, what's to stop you? The courts that are filled with Trump appointees? A Congress now controlled mostly by Trumpers and cowed Republicans? A news media that is increasingly controlled either by billionaire right-wingers, non-right wing billionaires like Bezos that want to remain in Trump's good graces, legacy media that has lost its influence and which increasingly has right-wingers controlling the editorial rooms, or The NY Times which relentlessly bosides everything and bends over backwards to get the views of Trump supporters in small-city diners? Good Luck with that.
 
ZenMode said:
I agree and will add two things...one that few will likely agree with...

First, and less controversial, is the fact that Republican politicians in Congress will be up for re-election long after Trump is gone and they can't afford to have Trump "burn it to the ground" with dogmatic and criminal idiocy.

Second, a difference in political ideology doesn't make someone an inherently bad person. I don't think RFK is a bad person. I don't think Pam Bondi is a bad person. I don't think Dr. Oz is a bad person. I think, when push comes to shove, many or most will resist doing something truly dangerous for the country and will push back on anything dangerous that Trump may want to do.
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Guess this makes him a good guy in your book​

Girlfriends of RFK Jr: He once had 43 mistresses in his phone under the letter G including his current wife Cheryl Hines​

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Girlfriends of RFK Jr: He once had 43 mistresses in his phone under the letter G including his current wife Cheryl Hines

RFK Jr. apparently had a list of 43 rumored mistresses on his phone, including his current wife Cheryl Hines. His indiscretions were made public in 2014, revealing aliases, cryptic passwords, and a history of infidelity.
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StrangePackage said:
The couple dozen child sized coffins in Samoa would qualify him, if he hadn't already cheated on and then bullied his first wife to suicide.
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A preview of what's to come

Dozens of Samoan children have died of measles. So New Zealanders are sending child-size coffins. The call came from a Samoan in Auckland, New Zealand, by way of the man's father, an undertaker in Samoa: They needed children's caskets. So Ron Wattam of the Kiwi Coffin Club sprang into action
 
StrangePackage said:
The couple dozen child sized coffins in Samoa would qualify him, if he hadn't already cheated on and then bullied his first wife to suicide.
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His treatment of his first wife was horrific. Not only did he bully her before and after their divorce, he deliberately hounded her and cut her off from the family fortune to the point that she was reduced to asking other parents at her child's school for enough money to buy a tank of gas. And after she hanged herself due to his treatment RFK, Jr., out of pure spite, had her removed from her burial place with the Kennedy family and moved to an isolated spot some distance away. Pure vindictiveness. And his mother Ethel pretty much just gave up on him from what I've read in numerous articles. He's a narcissistic monster, just like Trump. And as of January he'll be in charge of much of our nation's healthcare and health regulatory system. Swell.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
His treatment of his first wife was horrific. Not only did he bully her before and after their divorce, he deliberately hounded her and cut her off from the family fortune to the point that she was reduced to asking other parents at her child's school for enough money to buy a tank of gas. And after she hanged herself due to his treatment RFK, Jr., out of pure spite, had her removed from her burial place with the Kennedy family and moved to an isolated spot some distance away. Pure vindictiveness. And his mother Ethel pretty much just gave up on him from what I've read in numerous articles. He's a narcissistic monster, just like Trump. And as of January he'll be in charge of much of our nation's healthcare and health regulatory system. Swell.
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He's an evil man. Hard to argue other wise.
 
lawtig02 said:
The last several posts on this thread are a great example of why the information environment in this past election was so freaking frustrating. I bet there are millions of people who voted for Trump who have no clue the extent to which the guardrails that could potentially constrain his absolute and self-serving exercise of power have been completely eliminated. And that’s in addition to the tens of millions who know about it but voted for him anyway because they WANT Trump to act like a dictator. The notion that there are any legal or political restraints that would keep Trump and his extremist companions from doing anything they want to do is just fantasy.
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Well, now we know that Trump does have the power to do blanket pardons for known and unknown crimes. Biden just wiped Hunters slate clean for a period of 10 years, for things we don't even know he may have done.
 
ZenMode said:
Well, now we know that Trump does have the power to do blanket pardons for known and unknown crimes. Biden just wiped Hunters slate clean for a period of 10 years, for things we don't even know he may have done.
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That has been known for decades. The only two potential limitations on pardons we don't yet know are (1) whether a president can pardon himself, and (2) whether a president can pardon someone proactively for crimes that have not yet occurred. The answer to (1) with this Supreme Court is almost certainly yes, although it doesn't really matter much given SCOTUS's near total grant of immunity. The answer to (2) is probably no, but that's not what's at issue with Hunter.
 
ZenMode said:
Well, now we know that Trump does have the power to do blanket pardons for known and unknown crimes. Biden just wiped Hunters slate clean for a period of 10 years, for things we don't even know he may have done.
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That cherry was busted when Ford pardoned Nixon. You could make a decent case that was in the national interest with times being what they were. It was broken for personal reasons when Bush pardoned Weinberger before trial and conviction to prevent any chance of him being incriminated in the Iran-Contra scandal. Iow, save the bullshit.
 
ZenMode said:
I won't claim to know Trump's true intention. He just talks. He talks constantly and often with no apparent direction; rambling incoherently, saying every thought that comes to mind, with no concern about whether or not it's rationale or reasonable.

The people he's surrounding himself with are generally unqualified for their positions, but aren't dumb and several have a legal background. SCOTUS may have given Trump a pass on "Presidential" actions, but the same doesn't apply to his cabinet.

One thing the Mueller Report made pretty clear, as it related to obstruction, is that the people around him did NOT follow his orders because they knew it would be their ass on the line, from a legal perspective, if they followed through. I think the same will largely be true during Trump's second term.
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Didn't trump promise to pay legal fees and pardon anyone that got into trouble for following his instructions?
 
ZenMode said:
Yes and other examples have been provided.

The lack of conviction, as I've heard, was the reason no president has pardoned Edward Snowden. Apparently that is incorrect.
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They didn't benefit from Snowden.
 
Zoo_View said:
Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon before Nixon was charged or indicted.

Jimmy Carter pardoned 10’s of thousands of draft dodgers who hasn’t been charged or indicted.
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So the president could authorize The Purge with a blanket pardon for all crimes committed in a specific time period.
 
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