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Toxic masculinity and red pilling boys and young men

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gregh1 said:
The bro culture stuff extends across all races?
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One thing that surprised and annoyed me was seeing this happen to nonwhite YouTube creators.

Several years ago there was that viral video of the 2 black teens reacting to Phil Collins’ “In the Air Tonight.” I loved watching their reactions to “white” music and that led me down a rabbit hole to a bunch of black creators who basically did the same thing: listen to rock music and react to it. Brad and Lex, Asia and BJ, Rob Squad Reactions, etc - all super fun to watch.

But one thing you start to see with all these channels over time is people trying to get them to watch red pill material, or “anti woke” stuff. This dumbass comedian Tom MacDonald, if any of y’all know of him. Some Canadian guy whose whole shtick is attacking “woke” people.

There’s a popular YouTube channel called The Cartier Family. It’s like 5 guys who were on the track team at Louisiana-Lafayette. Same basic premise. Black guys reacting to white music, comedy, movies etc. And they got majorly red pilled and ended up featured at the RNC.

 
I used to work at a Unitarian church, and they had a sex-ed program they had developed in partnership with the Congregationalists, designed by a team of child development experts, ethicists, etc. I went into it managing a small group of jr. high kids, and was extremely apprehensive about it. But after one or two sessions, I came to realize how incredibly important thoughtful, value-based sex education was. It was so much fun...honest, disarming, hilarious. I will 100 percent put my own son through it, from preshool to high school. Could not recommend it more. It's called OWL, or "Our Whole Lives"

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I think the main difference today is a larger portion of boys aren't out growing this content. Gen Z/Alpha are much more online and with other societal shifts less will grow out of the nonsense

A majority will but more angry ignorant young men around raises probability of bad outcomes for a society and especially women. Like we've seen with other fringe ideas these things have a way of being sanitized and made mainstream
 
Heelsandeers said:
I think the main difference today is a larger portion of boys aren't out growing this content. Gen Z/Alpha are much more online and with other societal shifts less will grow out of the nonsense

A majority will but more angry ignorant young men around raises probability of bad outcomes for a society and especially women. Like we've seen with other fringe ideas these things have a way of being sanitized and made mainstream
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Good point. I was at the barber shop the other day and the guy cutting my hair and several others were talking about how smart Jordan Peterson is. These guys were all older than me (probably in their late 20s-early 40s), but it was clear that they were exposed to the same type of content that is leading young men down this path.
 
Paine said:
Good point. I was at the barber shop the other day and the guy cutting my hair and several others were talking about how smart Jordan Peterson is. These guys were all older than me (probably in their late 20s-early 40s), but it was clear that they were exposed to the same type of content that is leading young men down this path.
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My brother is 60 and is getting drawn into this crap.
 
SnoopRob said:
If?
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Thankfully, I don’t think we’re at the point where fascism has fully recrystallized into a political force. There are numerous fash adjacent figures and actual fascists, but they have yet to fully coalesce together w/ the business class to create fascism.
 
Paine said:
Thankfully, I don’t think we’re at the point where fascism has fully recrystallized into a political force. There are numerous fash adjacent figures and actual fascists, but they have yet to fully coalesce together w/ the business class to create fascism.
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MAGA is fascism. We may not have succumbed all the way into a fascist government, but we certainly have fascism on the ballot at all levels of the country at this point.
 
SnoopRob said:
MAGA is fascism. We may not have succumbed all the way into a fascist government, but we certainly have fascism on the ballot at all levels of the country at this point.
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We’re in agreement. I think a second Trump term would bring about fascism or something close enough to it to be very bad for the country and world.
 
Young men were the engine of every conflict. Almost all soldiers in history have been men, the vast majority of whom were young. This goes for goons and paramilitaries as well.
 
superrific said:
Young men were the engine of every conflict. Almost all soldiers in history have been men, the vast majority of whom were young. This goes for goons and paramilitaries as well.
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War is a place where the young kill one another without knowing or hating each other, because of the decision of old people who know and hate each other, without killing each other.-- Erich Hartmann
 
superrific said:
Young men were the engine of every conflict. Almost all soldiers in history have been men, the vast majority of whom were young. This goes for goons and paramilitaries as well.
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There’s a difference between the disaffection we’re talking about in this thread and young men being soldiers generally.
 
Paine said:
There’s a difference between the disaffection we’re talking about in this thread and young men being soldiers generally.
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I know. But it's still true even when applied to disaffection that leads to political unrest. Anyway, I was just being pedantic. It's really not important.
 
In my experience, what young men need to hear is not techniques for lovemaking, but rather a vision of themselves providing stability, safety and material goods for their family, friends and community. I'm around young people all the time, and most of the young men I interact with want to become this type of person. There is not *nearly* enough healthy conversation on this issue, and so meatheads, grifters and the porn industry step in and influence them into a type of masculinity that revolves almost entirely around their wallets and their dicks.
 
TarSpiel said:
In my experience, what young men need to hear is not techniques for lovemaking, but rather a vision of themselves providing stability, safety and material goods for their family, friends and community. I'm around young people all the time, and most of the young men I interact with want to become this type of person. There is not *nearly* enough healthy conversation on this issue, and so meatheads, grifters and the porn industry step in and influence them into a type of masculinity that revolves almost entirely around their wallets and their dicks.
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When I was teaching law students, I didn't get that impression of what the students wanted, and that was professional school. I mean, it's not as if I talked to them about it in any detail, but I did ask about romantic relationships among students and there were surprisingly few. Some students were already married, but there were a lot of them who were still in party mode.
 
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