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Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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nycfan said:
I think the stunt to make an absurdist offer to Zelensky to turn over half of Ukraines rare earth minerals was a setup for a deal that is already being cut between the Trump administration and the Putin regime — Russia currently controls most of the Ukrainian territory with rare earth deposits. I think the deal being cut will be Russia keeps that territory if it divvies up those rare earth spoils with the USA.
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I think the pressure to get Zelensky to sign an agreement for mineral rights on the spot was to have a verifiable starting point for negotiations to this effect. If Trump can say “Zelensky agreed to give us half” it’s easier to get Putin to acquiesce to a similar split. Of course, that would be a phenomenally bad deal (very own brand with Trump) with Russian occupation of the territory and no US forces anywhere nearby. What US company would invest in mining infrastructure in Putin-controlled land?
 
Milk and Cookies said:
Consumption growth that outpaced peers (was worst among peers under Trump 1.0)
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Strong labor force participation (and big relative improvement from Trump 1.0)
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Impressive relative inflation reduction (after Trump 1.0 had us leading the pack by the end of his term)
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Outstanding attraction of capital investment
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Hey M&C...can you ID the source of these graphs? I would like to share them.
 
Ramrouser said:
Personally, I’m fine with Musk fathering a lot of US citizens. Imagine the average IQ of the bunch. Plus, he can afford ‘em.
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Elon isn't the genius you think he is. He was an OK student who founded a stupid company that didn't do anything, but was purchased in the dot com mania and gave him seed money. He's been defrauding and conning people ever since.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Do you not think such a statement from the President of the United States is worthy of hysterics.

You can also save the "this is Trump speak" lecture. It isn't about how Trump himself intends the message. It is about how those who follow him fervently interpret the message.
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Callatoroy doesn't care about the implications. If it upsets "leftists", it must be a good thing in his mind.
 
According to media, the White House website reposted Trump's incendiary qupte Napoleon made right before seiaing power.. The problem with dpwnplaying this is that if you read the Project 2025 dpocument (and those folks are part of Trump 2), they threaten ominous conseuences if people don't bow down. So hopefully that is just red mean rhetoric (albeit still very dangerous) but if not, the scenario might play out as:
Trymp Admin starts refusing to obey judiary
Constitutional crisis
Nationwide protests and then a general strike
Trump attempts to mpose martial law since that is Authoritarian Playbook 101

When you have Mitch McConnell voting to oppose Trump cabinet nominees, you know htese are strange days.
 
I am getting really annoyed with the international community refusing to stand up to Trump.

We are solely responsible for Trumpism but we need help from the international community and they are way too timid about it.

Look at Trudeau. He staved off tariffs by promising to do less than he was already doing. Ok, great, we all got a laugh out of it but in the meantime Trump got a major PR win. To the only people that matter, he won.

For goodness sakes, stop giving him these little victories.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I am getting really annoyed with the international community refusing to stand up to Trump.

We are solely responsible for Trumpism but we need help from the international community and they are way too timid about it.

Look at Trudeau. He staved off tariffs by promising to do less than he was already doing. Ok, great, we all got a laugh out of it but in the meantime Trump got a major PR win. To the only people that matter, he won.

For goodness sakes, stop giving him these little victories.
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What would you have him do? It's not his job to hurt the Canadian economy to save us from ourselves.

ETA: you've got bigger fish to fry--not trying to be antagonistic.
 
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And that's why the Germans made the Nazi party illegal. They weren't going to take a chance on democracy imploding again.

Justice Robert Jackson recognized the danger. "The constitution is not a suicide pact," he wrote. Alas.

But JD Vance says that Germany has nothing to fear from a little Nazi party rabble rousing.
 
superrific said:
And that's why the Germans made the Nazi party illegal. They weren't going to take a chance on democracy imploding again.

Justice Robert Jackson recognized the danger. "The constitution is not a suicide pact," he wrote. Alas.

But JD Vance says that Germany has nothing to fear from a little Nazi party rabble rousing.
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The US had their chance to make Trump "illegal," but Merrick Garland sat on his hands for two crucial years.
 
Duke Mu said:
The US had their chance to make Trump "illegal," but Merrick Garland sat on his hands for two crucial years.
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You're not wrong at all, but there were multiple points of failure in the pursuit to hold Trump accountable to the point where he couldn't hold office again, most notably, the failure of Republicans to convict Trump for his impeachments (lookin' at you, Mitch).
 
korgguy1971 said:
You're not wrong at all, but there were multiple points of failure in the pursuit to hold Trump accountable to the point where he couldn't hold office again, most notably, the failure of Republicans to convict Trump for his impeachments (lookin' at you, Mitch).
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Agreed. All can be true. So much failure and cowardice.

It only took Hitler 53 days in 1933 to dismantle democracy in Germany. JV Vance's chilling choice to meet with neo-Nazis in Germany are a reminder that Trump kept the Hitler playbook by his bedside.

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We have to fight back. It is nearly too late. It's 11:59 pm and the nation becomes a pumpkin at midnight.
 
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Utah bill would ban Pride flags in public schools but allow Nazi flags for educational use

According to the Utah bill, only approved flags would be allowed on government property: state, federal, military, Native American and schools.
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ididnazithiscoming

According to this proposal, Pride flags would be banned from being displayed in public schools and government buildings, while Nazi and Confederate flags could still be permitted for “educational purposes.”
 
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