Trump Voters already having buyer’s remorse.

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CFordUNC said:
Every single Trump supporter on this board is here because they beg for liberals to approve of their views. If that wasn’t the case, they’d be on any number of other conservative-leaning forums, not here where they have spent years screaming and crying and whining that they’re oppressed and censored and silenced. None of them are here to “hear what the other side is saying” and the way that you can know that to be true is that they don’t ever, ever, ever participate in any policy discussions, and they don’t ever engage with an intent to learn or to be challenged or even perhaps to have their views changed by someone with more knowledge or expertise or lived experience than them.
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It makes more sense if you look at it like football. So what if they talked a little trash, it’s just football. Just admit the better team won, no reason to not want to be friends over it.

Right now it seems like they are starting to realize what they’ve won. We’ll have to see if this is durable and just how far this all goes.
 
Lando said:
It makes more sense if you look at it like football. So what if they talked a little trash, it’s just football. Just admit the better team won, no reason to not want to be friends over it.

Right now it seems like they are starting to realize what they’ve won. We’ll have to see if this is durable and just how far this all goes.
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Yep. Owning all of those meanie-head arrogant elitist educated libs is all fun and games until you get 12% inflation, 10% mortgage rates, $4,000 household appliances, your SS and disability benefits slashed, and your wife/daughter/granddaughter bleeds out in her car in the parking lot of the fourth ER that won’t admit and treat her ongoing miscarriage because the doctors are all afraid of going to prison.
 
korgguy1971 said:
Would that even make a difference with his base, given what we've seen of his decade-long string of shenanigans? (Hint: no.)
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This is the same thought I've had. I don't know what dirt he has on trump but it wouldn't make a single bit of difference. I don't care the evidence either, it'd be dismissed. He should just turn the tables on that mofo now.
 
CFordUNC said:
Yep. Owning all of those meanie-head arrogant elitist educated libs is all fun and games until you get 12% inflation, 10% mortgage rates, $4,000 household appliances, your SS and disability benefits slashed, and your wife/daughter/granddaughter bleeds out in her car in the parking lot of the fourth ER that won’t admit and treat her ongoing miscarriage because the doctors are all afraid of going to prison.
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All politics is local. Ultimately it’s the lost relationships and communities that will be felt acutely.
 
korgguy1971 said:
Would that even make a difference with his base, given what we've seen of his decade-long string of shenanigans? (Hint: no.)
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It was in jest, I totally agree with you. I think Trump could take a dump on stage during a debate and he'd probably garner even more voter support than before.
 
In the future maybe we will use Google searches rather than voting ballots when deciding things.
 
Some of you were posting earlier about how "blind" policy polls of Americans show they overwhelmingly support Democratic and liberal positions until you finally attach D to them. I mentioned this yesterday in another thread but couldn't find the supporting studies. Thank you all for providing!

It also reminds how, whenever comedians or pollsters ask Americans about Obamacare, they overwhelmingly approve when it's called the ACA. Once you attach the "Obamacare" moniker to it, many immediately disapprove. Even conservatives overwhelmingly like it when they know it only as the ACA.

This all demonstrates two things: 1) Americans are incredibly ignorant; and, 2) while Democrats may or may not have won the culture war (that remains to be seen), they are at least a solid decade behind in building the media infrastructure to compete with conservatives. They're already fighting with one hand behind their back with Electoral College and the Senate naturally favoring red states; they may as well have both hands tied, lacking a competitive media/propaganda infrastructure.
 
MendotoManteo said:
Some of you were posting earlier about how "blind" policy polls of Americans show they overwhelmingly support Democratic and liberal positions until you finally attach D to them. I mentioned this yesterday in another thread but couldn't find the supporting studies. Thank you all for providing!

It also reminds how, whenever comedians or pollsters ask Americans about Obamacare, they overwhelmingly approve when it's called the ACA. Once you attach the "Obamacare" moniker to it, many immediately disapprove. Even conservatives overwhelmingly like it when they know it only as the ACA.

This all demonstrates two things: 1) Americans are incredibly ignorant; and, 2) while Democrats may or may not have won the culture war (that remains to be seen), they are at least a solid decade behind in building the media infrastructure to compete with conservatives. They're already fighting with one hand behind their back with Electoral College and the Senate naturally favoring red states; they may as well have both hands tied, lacking a competitive media/propaganda infrastructure.
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I posted on IC some years ago that the Dems should roll out ads on tv, online media, etc. explaining what Dems were doing to help the average American and what Pubs were doing to hurt them. Run them throughout the years, not just election years. Keep pounding home the messages. No need to address individuals or parties pro or con until election years. The right had Fox and then all the online crazier outlets.

Why is this administration/congress against providing for clean water to drink and clean air to breath for us citizens of this great country while dismantling environmental protections to allow large corporations to pollute as they wish? (With corresponding images to fit the message). Or the reverse. Etc. [Not a marketing guy/cooywriter myself but you get the message]

Both targeted national and statewide.
 
grimes70 said:
I posted on IC some years ago that the Dems should roll out ads on tv, online media, etc. explaining what Dems were doing to help the average American and what Pubs were doing to hurt them. Run them throughout the years, not just election years. Keep pounding home the messages. No need to address individuals or parties pro or con until election years. The right had Fox and then all the online crazier outlets.

Why is this administration/congress against providing for clean water to drink and clean air to breath for us citizens of this great country while dismantling environmental protections to allow large corporations to pollute as they wish? (With corresponding images to fit the message). Or the reverse. Etc. [Not a marketing guy/cooywriter myself but you get the message]

Both targeted national and statewide.
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Big part of Democratic failure in general since 2008: failure to organize outside of presidential election years. Whether it be advertising like you say or anything really.
 
korgguy1971 said:
Would that even make a difference with his base, given what we've seen of his decade-long string of shenanigans? (Hint: no.)
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At this point, no.

They would think it is funny. They would never even consider that Trump may have allowed Putin to extort him with the tape.

I think Putin has trained Trump how to follow in his footsteps. Trump wants Putin’s control and wealth. I think they may have had discussions on that very issue during their closed meetings. If that is the case Putin would have recordings of these meetings which would be extortion gold mine.

Just my speculation. But you are right if the pee tapes exist they have lost their utility and a standalone piece of information.
 
ICFree said:
This is the same thought I've had. I don't know what dirt he has on trump but it wouldn't make a single bit of difference. I don't care the evidence either, it'd be dismissed. He should just turn the tables on that mofo now.
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My thought as well. At this point Putin has no leverage. Ttump can’t be embarrassed because narcissistic sociopaths just lie to themselves and their cult parishioners, with impunity. Ttump has access to the US coffers (ie our money) and untold number of bribes and extortions, so money isn’t an issue. And on those bribes and extortions, the scotus determined the US presidency s imperial, so legality matters not. Even if Putin has a piss tape, hell a shit tape, ttump will just say it isn’t him and “I hear some people like that sort of thing”, and maga will move on to the next meme.
 
Paine said:
Big part of Democratic failure in general since 2008: failure to organize outside of presidential election years. Whether it be advertising like you say or anything really.
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Well, despite rumors of the “liberal media,” Democrats don’t have the luxury of a compliant media willing to repeat their talking points and relentlessly spread their propaganda such as the bubble Republicans enjoy.
 
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