Trump Voters already having buyer’s remorse.

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korgguy1971 said:
Would that even make a difference with his base, given what we've seen of his decade-long string of shenanigans? (Hint: no.)
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At this point, no.

They would think it is funny. They would never even consider that Trump may have allowed Putin to extort him with the tape.

I think Putin has trained Trump how to follow in his footsteps. Trump wants Putin’s control and wealth. I think they may have had discussions on that very issue during their closed meetings. If that is the case Putin would have recordings of these meetings which would be extortion gold mine.

Just my speculation. But you are right if the pee tapes exist they have lost their utility and a standalone piece of information.
 
ICFree said:
This is the same thought I've had. I don't know what dirt he has on trump but it wouldn't make a single bit of difference. I don't care the evidence either, it'd be dismissed. He should just turn the tables on that mofo now.
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My thought as well. At this point Putin has no leverage. Ttump can’t be embarrassed because narcissistic sociopaths just lie to themselves and their cult parishioners, with impunity. Ttump has access to the US coffers (ie our money) and untold number of bribes and extortions, so money isn’t an issue. And on those bribes and extortions, the scotus determined the US presidency s imperial, so legality matters not. Even if Putin has a piss tape, hell a shit tape, ttump will just say it isn’t him and “I hear some people like that sort of thing”, and maga will move on to the next meme.
 
Paine said:
Big part of Democratic failure in general since 2008: failure to organize outside of presidential election years. Whether it be advertising like you say or anything really.
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Well, despite rumors of the “liberal media,” Democrats don’t have the luxury of a compliant media willing to repeat their talking points and relentlessly spread their propaganda such as the bubble Republicans enjoy.
 
grimes70 said:
I posted on IC some years ago that the Dems should roll out ads on tv, online media, etc. explaining what Dems were doing to help the average American and what Pubs were doing to hurt them. Run them throughout the years, not just election years. Keep pounding home the messages. No need to address individuals or parties pro or con until election years. The right had Fox and then all the online crazier outlets.

Why is this administration/congress against providing for clean water to drink and clean air to breath for us citizens of this great country while dismantling environmental protections to allow large corporations to pollute as they wish? (With corresponding images to fit the message). Or the reverse. Etc. [Not a marketing guy/cooywriter myself but you get the message]

Both targeted national and statewide.
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Another advantage conservatives have is that they play upon fear of the unknown, which is incredibly appealing to what I call the average person's "lizard brain receptor." Conservatives don't have to necessarily propose policies; they only have to demonstrate how they'll protect you from this or that "scary" thing.

Liberals need to figure out how to do this too. Not with immigrants, transgender people, etc., obviously. But with things like you mentioned. Why do conservatives want you and your family to die from polluted water? That sort of thing. And I don't care how much conservatives or others complain. Do it. Because, honestly, it's not a lie. Be nasty too. Truth is on your side. Why do conservatives want your daughter to bleed out at a hospital? Why does Trump want Saudi money? Why, don't you know they were behind 9/11 and Islamic terrorism? Killed Americans along with his Taliban friends he freed. Those sorts of things.

And it's not enough just to say it once or twice, or even for a couple weeks (like the attack on Republicans being "weird" that Kamala used when first became prospective nominee and seemed effective but then just immediately stopped doing). You have to do it ad nauseum. Over and over and over.
 
Paine said:
Republicans deliberately built that bubble and now are enjoying the fruits of their labor. Democrats didn’t. Hindsight is 20/20, but we can acknowledge the need for this going forward.

Of course, the bigger issue is money. You’re not going to find billionaires willing to shell out for news sources pushing left-wing or even liberal ideals/propaganda in the same way you would the right-wing.

Memebership based independent media is happening organically on the left. I think the Dems should lean on these content creators for free media like the Republicans did relentlessly this cycle.
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This is another inherent disadvantage. There is no incentive for billionaire money to go to left-wing propaganda and media environment. Why would it? Wouldn't be in their interests.

Liberals will have to build a grass roots information environment. In can start with competing on social media but may ultimately be a matter of creating other social media platforms that are seen as "voices of the people." I don't know what that looks like, but I'm not gifted at such things. Surely it can exist though, if created by bright minds.
 
MendotoManteo said:
Another advantage conservatives have is that they play upon fear of the unknown, which is incredibly appealing to what I call the average person's "lizard brain receptor." Conservatives don't have to necessarily propose policies; they only have to demonstrate how they'll protect you from this or that "scary" thing.

Liberals need to figure out how to do this too. Not with immigrants, transgender people, etc., obviously. But with things like you mentioned. Why do conservatives want you and your family to die from polluted water? That sort of thing. And I don't care how much conservatives or others complain. Do it. Because, honestly, it's not a lie. Be nasty too. Truth is on your side. Why do conservatives want your daughter to bleed out at a hospital? Why does Trump want Saudi money? Why, don't you know they were behind 9/11 and Islamic terrorism? Killed Americans along with his Taliban friends he freed. Those sorts of things.

And it's not enough just to say it once or twice, or even for a couple weeks (like the attack on Republicans being "weird" that Kamala used when first became prospective nominee and seemed effective but then just immediately stopped doing). You have to do it ad nauseum. Over and over and over.
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Liberals do it too but its not very effective. They are going to ban contraception... They are going to ban gay marriage... They are going to ban interracial marriage... Does anyone who wasn't going to vote Democrat anyway really believe that? Its changing about as many minds as claims of Haitians eating cats.
 
Paine said:
The answer on the left for lizard brain people looking for something to fear has always been billionaires and the elites. It wasn’t until fairly recently that the Democratic Party decided that these people would be coddled and be given decision making rights over the party’s future.
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Don't kid yourself. Democrats have gone after billionaire money for a while. And there are plenty of billionaires willing to support Democrats. There is a reason Pelosi was the majority leader for so long and was from San Francisco. It wasn't because of her masterful shepherding through of legislation but it had a lot to do with her fundraising from big tech liberals.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Liberals do it too but its not very effective. They are going to ban contraception... They are going to ban gay marriage... They are going to ban interracial marriage... Does anyone who wasn't going to vote Democrat anyway really believe that? Its changing about as many minds as claims of Haitians eating cats.
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Maybe because Haitians eating cats is not remotely true but banning some of those rights is something that is very possible.
www.nbcnews.com

Thomas wants the Supreme Court to overturn landmark rulings that legalized contraception, same-sex marriage

In a concurring opinion to the Supreme Court's ruling to overturn Roe v. Wade, the conservative jurist called on the court to overrule a trio of watershed civil rights rulings, writing, "We have a duty to ‘correct the error’ established in those precedents.”
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CFordUNC said:


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Is there some talk going around on social media about this? I get the impression that there is, but I haven't seen anything. I mean, are there conservatives on twitter or where ever saying that liberals ought to play nice and continue to see family members and friends who voted for Trump? I'll admit I don't really go on twitter or other social media very much anymore.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Is there some talk going around on social media about this? I get the impression that there is, but I haven't seen anything. I mean, are there conservatives on twitter or where ever saying that liberals ought to play nice and continue to see family members and friends who voted for Trump? I'll admit I don't really go on twitter or other social media very much anymore.
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Yep. There sure are.
 
dukeman92 said:
Yep. There sure are.
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Then in that case it's really pathetic that Trumpers are begging liberal family members not to cut them off. "Yeah, I voted for this total asshole who has threatened to make your life miserable and called you evil and a Satanist and his supporters have threatened to kill you and ruin your life, but please come to Thanksgiving Dinner this year and be nice to me!" Good God.
 
DiehardHeelFan said:
Maybe because Haitians eating cats is not remotely true but banning some of those rights is something that is very possible.
www.nbcnews.com

Thomas wants the Supreme Court to overturn landmark rulings that legalized contraception, same-sex marriage

In a concurring opinion to the Supreme Court's ruling to overturn Roe v. Wade, the conservative jurist called on the court to overrule a trio of watershed civil rights rulings, writing, "We have a duty to ‘correct the error’ established in those precedents.”
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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Sure. Contraception, which has a 90% approval rating amount Americans, is in real danger. When that is banned, I'll start worrying about fluffy and the sky falling.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Then in that case it's really pathetic that Trumpers are begging liberal family members not to cut them off. "Yeah, I voted for this total asshole who has threatened to make your life miserable and called you evil and a Satanist and his supporters have threatened to kill you and ruin your life, but please come to Thanksgiving Dinner this year and be nice to me!" Good God.
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Of course that's what they want. Hell, I took my entire extended family (only have extended, I'm an only child) on a 10 day Christmas cruise 2 years ago to try to have everyone be together rather than disparate. We are always the ones hosting Thanksgiving, etc.

No more. Let MAGA figure it out.
 
During an interview on meet the press, Kristin Welker said Trump’s tax cuts that he plans to extend/implement have a cost of 9 trillion dollars. Not sure where that money will come but Senator Barrasso (R-WY) said clawing back the Biden administration’s “excessive spending” plus after the tax cuts in 2017 treasury receipts increased so it won’t add to the deficit. Sure Senator 🙄

Then there is the cost of the mass deportation which will also hit the workforce hard. This is gonna get bad 😐
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Is there some talk going around on social media about this? I get the impression that there is, but I haven't seen anything. I mean, are there conservatives on twitter or where ever saying that liberals ought to play nice and continue to see family members and friends who voted for Trump? I'll admit I don't really go on twitter or other social media very much anymore.
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Yes, especially w/r/t the upcoming Thanksgiving holidays. Basically, libs should accept that I will be gloating about the election but still invite me / join me because it’s my right, my side won and it’s just politics — you should still like me anyway.
 
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