Trump Voters already having buyer’s remorse.

[ChapelHillSooner]

Low information is prototypical MAGA. To the core. Except the ones smart enough to grift the rest.

Let me use a different term. Low opinion voters.

 

[BubbaOtis]

So would you say that this is more normal behavior and not suggestive of anything more?

Given that Trump hasn't taken office and hasn't actually done anything, then yes. We all re-think decisions after the fact.

 

[korgguy1971]

Putin just reminding Trump he still has the pee tapes.

Would that even make a difference with his base, given what we've seen of his decade-long string of shenanigans? (Hint: no.)

 

[CFordUNC]

It makes more sense if you look at it like football. So what if they talked a little trash, it’s just football. Just admit the better team won, no reason to not want to be friends over it.

Right now it seems like they are starting to realize what they’ve won. We’ll have to see if this is durable and just how far this all goes.

Yep. Owning all of those meanie-head arrogant elitist educated libs is all fun and games until you get 12% inflation, 10% mortgage rates, $4,000 household appliances, your SS and disability benefits slashed, and your wife/daughter/granddaughter bleeds out in her car in the parking lot of the fourth ER that won’t admit and treat her ongoing miscarriage because the doctors are all afraid of going to prison.

 

[ICFree]

Would that even make a difference with his base, given what we've seen of his decade-long string of shenanigans? (Hint: no.)

This is the same thought I've had. I don't know what dirt he has on trump but it wouldn't make a single bit of difference. I don't care the evidence either, it'd be dismissed. He should just turn the tables on that mofo now.

 

[CFordUNC]

Lololol

 

[JCTarheel82]

Lololol

No doubt the conservative nirvana of California would have gone to Trump in a landslide if only they had implemented a voter ID requirement.

 

[Bobfripp]

Would that even make a difference with his base, given what we've seen of his decade-long string of shenanigans? (Hint: no.)

It was in jest, I totally agree with you. I think Trump could take a dump on stage during a debate and he'd probably garner even more voter support than before.

 

[UNCatTech]

Given that Trump hasn't taken office and hasn't actually done anything, then yes. We all re-think decisions after the fact.

Not at this level. I've always known who and why I was voting.

Plus, it shows ignorance, everyone should know you vote and thats it, no do overs.

 

[JeepCSC]

In the future maybe we will use Google searches rather than voting ballots when deciding things.

 

[MendotoManteo]

Some of you were posting earlier about how "blind" policy polls of Americans show they overwhelmingly support Democratic and liberal positions until you finally attach D to them. I mentioned this yesterday in another thread but couldn't find the supporting studies. Thank you all for providing!

It also reminds how, whenever comedians or pollsters ask Americans about Obamacare, they overwhelmingly approve when it's called the ACA. Once you attach the "Obamacare" moniker to it, many immediately disapprove. Even conservatives overwhelmingly like it when they know it only as the ACA.

This all demonstrates two things: 1) Americans are incredibly ignorant; and, 2) while Democrats may or may not have won the culture war (that remains to be seen), they are at least a solid decade behind in building the media infrastructure to compete with conservatives. They're already fighting with one hand behind their back with Electoral College and the Senate naturally favoring red states; they may as well have both hands tied, lacking a competitive media/propaganda infrastructure.

 

[grimes70]

Some of you were posting earlier about how "blind" policy polls of Americans show they overwhelmingly support Democratic and liberal positions until you finally attach D to them. I mentioned this yesterday in another thread but couldn't find the supporting studies. Thank you all for providing!

It also reminds how, whenever comedians or pollsters ask Americans about Obamacare, they overwhelmingly approve when it's called the ACA. Once you attach the "Obamacare" moniker to it, many immediately disapprove. Even conservatives overwhelmingly like it when they know it only as the ACA.

This all demonstrates two things: 1) Americans are incredibly ignorant; and, 2) while Democrats may or may not have won the culture war (that remains to be seen), they are at least a solid decade behind in building the media infrastructure to compete with conservatives. They're already fighting with one hand behind their back with Electoral College and the Senate naturally favoring red states; they may as well have both hands tied, lacking a competitive media/propaganda infrastructure.

I posted on IC some years ago that the Dems should roll out ads on tv, online media, etc. explaining what Dems were doing to help the average American and what Pubs were doing to hurt them. Run them throughout the years, not just election years. Keep pounding home the messages. No need to address individuals or parties pro or con until election years. The right had Fox and then all the online crazier outlets.

Why is this administration/congress against providing for clean water to drink and clean air to breath for us citizens of this great country while dismantling environmental protections to allow large corporations to pollute as they wish? (With corresponding images to fit the message). Or the reverse. Etc. [Not a marketing guy/cooywriter myself but you get the message]

Both targeted national and statewide.

 

[Paine]

I posted on IC some years ago that the Dems should roll out ads on tv, online media, etc. explaining what Dems were doing to help the average American and what Pubs were doing to hurt them. Run them throughout the years, not just election years. Keep pounding home the messages. No need to address individuals or parties pro or con until election years. The right had Fox and then all the online crazier outlets.

Why is this administration/congress against providing for clean water to drink and clean air to breath for us citizens of this great country while dismantling environmental protections to allow large corporations to pollute as they wish? (With corresponding images to fit the message). Or the reverse. Etc. [Not a marketing guy/cooywriter myself but you get the message]

Both targeted national and statewide.

Big part of Democratic failure in general since 2008: failure to organize outside of presidential election years. Whether it be advertising like you say or anything really.

 

[ChapelHillSooner]

Given that Trump hasn't taken office and hasn't actually done anything, then yes. We all re-think decisions after the fact.

Fair and I appreciate you sharing that perspective.

 

[ChapelHillSooner]

Would that even make a difference with his base, given what we've seen of his decade-long string of shenanigans? (Hint: no.)

At this point, no.

They would think it is funny. They would never even consider that Trump may have allowed Putin to extort him with the tape.

I think Putin has trained Trump how to follow in his footsteps. Trump wants Putin’s control and wealth. I think they may have had discussions on that very issue during their closed meetings. If that is the case Putin would have recordings of these meetings which would be extortion gold mine.

Just my speculation. But you are right if the pee tapes exist they have lost their utility and a standalone piece of information.

 

[Healing]

This is the same thought I've had. I don't know what dirt he has on trump but it wouldn't make a single bit of difference. I don't care the evidence either, it'd be dismissed. He should just turn the tables on that mofo now.

My thought as well. At this point Putin has no leverage. Ttump can’t be embarrassed because narcissistic sociopaths just lie to themselves and their cult parishioners, with impunity. Ttump has access to the US coffers (ie our money) and untold number of bribes and extortions, so money isn’t an issue. And on those bribes and extortions, the scotus determined the US presidency s imperial, so legality matters not. Even if Putin has a piss tape, hell a shit tape, ttump will just say it isn’t him and “I hear some people like that sort of thing”, and maga will move on to the next meme.

 

[farce©]

Big part of Democratic failure in general since 2008: failure to organize outside of presidential election years. Whether it be advertising like you say or anything really.

Well, despite rumors of the “liberal media,” Democrats don’t have the luxury of a compliant media willing to repeat their talking points and relentlessly spread their propaganda such as the bubble Republicans enjoy.

 

[Paine]

Well, despite rumors of the “liberal media,” Democrats don’t have the luxury of a compliant media willing to repeat their talking points and relentlessly spread their propaganda such as the bubble Republicans enjoy.

Republicans deliberately built that bubble and now are enjoying the fruits of their labor. Democrats didn’t. Hindsight is 20/20, but we can acknowledge the need for this going forward.

Of course, the bigger issue is money. You’re not going to find billionaires willing to shell out for news sources pushing left-wing or even liberal ideals/propaganda in the same way you would the right-wing.

Memebership based independent media is happening organically on the left. I think the Dems should lean on these content creators for free media like the Republicans did relentlessly this cycle.

 

[MendotoManteo]

I posted on IC some years ago that the Dems should roll out ads on tv, online media, etc. explaining what Dems were doing to help the average American and what Pubs were doing to hurt them. Run them throughout the years, not just election years. Keep pounding home the messages. No need to address individuals or parties pro or con until election years. The right had Fox and then all the online crazier outlets.

Why is this administration/congress against providing for clean water to drink and clean air to breath for us citizens of this great country while dismantling environmental protections to allow large corporations to pollute as they wish? (With corresponding images to fit the message). Or the reverse. Etc. [Not a marketing guy/cooywriter myself but you get the message]

Both targeted national and statewide.

Another advantage conservatives have is that they play upon fear of the unknown, which is incredibly appealing to what I call the average person's "lizard brain receptor." Conservatives don't have to necessarily propose policies; they only have to demonstrate how they'll protect you from this or that "scary" thing.

Liberals need to figure out how to do this too. Not with immigrants, transgender people, etc., obviously. But with things like you mentioned. Why do conservatives want you and your family to die from polluted water? That sort of thing. And I don't care how much conservatives or others complain. Do it. Because, honestly, it's not a lie. Be nasty too. Truth is on your side. Why do conservatives want your daughter to bleed out at a hospital? Why does Trump want Saudi money? Why, don't you know they were behind 9/11 and Islamic terrorism? Killed Americans along with his Taliban friends he freed. Those sorts of things.

And it's not enough just to say it once or twice, or even for a couple weeks (like the attack on Republicans being "weird" that Kamala used when first became prospective nominee and seemed effective but then just immediately stopped doing). You have to do it ad nauseum. Over and over and over.

 

[Paine]

Another advantage conservatives have is that they play upon fear of the unknown, which is incredibly appealing to what I call the average person's "lizard brain receptor." Conservatives don't have to necessarily propose policies; they only have to demonstrate how they'll protect you from this or that "scary" thing.

Liberals need to figure out how to do this too. Not with immigrants, transgender people, etc., obviously. But with things like you mentioned. Why do conservatives want you and your family to die from polluted water? That sort of thing. And I don't care how much conservatives or others complain. Do it. Because, honestly, it's not a lie. Be nasty too. Truth is on your side. Why do conservatives want your daughter to bleed out at a hospital? Why does Trump want Saudi money? Why, don't you know they were behind 9/11 and Islamic terrorism? Killed Americans along with his Taliban friends he freed. Those sorts of things.

And it's not enough just to say it once or twice, or even for a couple weeks (like the attack on Republicans being "weird" that Kamala used when first became prospective nominee and seemed effective but then just immediately stopped doing). You have to do it ad nauseum. Over and over and over.

The answer on the left for lizard brain people looking for something to fear has always been billionaires and the elites. It wasn’t until fairly recently that the Democratic Party decided that these people would be coddled and be given decision making rights over the party’s future.