Trump Voters already having buyer’s remorse.

[finesse]

Wish I could remember/find the author and her book. From what I can remember, she writes that conservatives saw the results of the most recent census and just how more multicultural the country is becoming. They also saw white couples were on average having fewer children. All of this combined scared the shit out of them. They see themselves in the minority in the not so distant future. Hence the stronger push for not only pro life but also to restrict as much as they can all forms of birth control. Yes there are conservatives that see this as right to life and/or some religious view, but the rest seeing themselves as a minority really lit a fire.

Not the most recent. Look into the Quiver movement which goes back some time. I think the Duggar family may have even been associated with them.

It was also behind the original banning of abortion in the late 1800s. That was driven by a populist Protestant movement worried by the southern European immigrants who were Catholic and the AMA who wanted to run the midwives out of business.

 

[farce©]

Not the most recent. Look into the Quiver movement which goes back some time. I think the Duggar family may have even been associated with them.

It was also behind the original banning of abortion in the late 1800s. That was driven by a populist Protestant movement worried by the southern European immigrants who were Catholic and the AMA who wanted to run the midwives out of business.

I saved your post from several years ago on this topic because I considered it so relevant.

“The cynicism with which abortion was made illegal in the 1870s by a collaboration between the AMA wanting to eliminate midwifery and the white protestants wanting to make sure that the immigrant were outbred is only topped by the cynicism of modern day Christians who adopted the right to life as a fund raising technique when Falwell and Robertson found that keeping Christian colleges segregated in the 1980s wasn't happening and no longer was a viable issue to draw support. In fact, the Southern Baptist Convention passed two resolutions in favor of Roe V. Wade in the early 70s.

As a side note, well before RvW, a woman with any degree of affluence was likely to develop spotting in their period, heavy periods or several other conditions that required a D&C. Of course, it was accidentally possible to end a pregnancy this way and no one would question the doctor’s expertise (wink wink).

Just in case you think I'm making this up, here's some things you can independently verify.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133

As noted in the article, this is a Catholic issue started by an early pope to enable Catholics to have more children.

As far as I can tell, there is no mention of abortion in the Bible. There is a reference in Leviticus to a procedure that sounds like inducing an abortion, however. It does seem like with all the detail God decreed about what cloth can be mixed, what foods could be eaten together and all the other minor things mentioned that if abortion was so heinous, he could have just said so.

After all, on two occasions (in Numbers and Chronicles II), when he numbered the children of Israel, he counted every one over a month old. What does that tell you about the Lord’s view of when personhood begins?”

 

[DiehardHeelFan]

Not the most recent. Look into the Quiver movement which goes back some time. I think the Duggar family may have even been associated with them.

It was also behind the original banning of abortion in the late 1800s. That was driven by a populist Protestant movement worried by the southern European immigrants who were Catholic and the AMA who wanted to run the midwives out of business.

Oh there is history of this but pretty sure she was writing regarding the past decade or two. Will have to find the book. But agree with you completely. It’s not something necessarily new.

 

[finesse]

I saved your post from several years ago on this topic because I considered it so relevant.

“The cynicism with which abortion was made illegal in the 1870s by a collaboration between the AMA wanting to eliminate midwifery and the white protestants wanting to make sure that the immigrant were outbred is only topped by the cynicism of modern day Christians who adopted the right to life as a fund raising technique when Falwell and Robertson found that keeping Christian colleges segregated in the 1980s wasn't happening and no longer was a viable issue to draw support. In fact, the Southern Baptist Convention passed two resolutions in favor of Roe V. Wade in the early 70s.

As a side note, well before RvW, a woman with any degree of affluence was likely to develop spotting in their period, heavy periods or several other conditions that required a D&C. Of course, it was accidentally possible to end a pregnancy this way and no one would question the doctor’s expertise (wink wink).

Just in case you think I'm making this up, here's some things you can independently verify.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133

As noted in the article, this is a Catholic issue started by an early pope to enable Catholics to have more children.

As far as I can tell, there is no mention of abortion in the Bible. There is a reference in Leviticus to a procedure that sounds like inducing an abortion, however. It does seem like with all the detail God decreed about what cloth can be mixed, what foods could be eaten together and all the other minor things mentioned that if abortion was so heinous, he could have just said so.

After all, on two occasions (in Numbers and Chronicles II), when he numbered the children of Israel, he counted every one over a month old. What does that tell you about the Lord’s view of when personhood begins?”

I'm a bit flattered, you know.

 

[uncjhodges]

First they are going to use the Comstock Act to go after mifepristone. And then they will use it to go after the pill. You're right that they won't ban condoms (not that you could do so any way). Preserving male choice is a big part of their program.

I would highly advise any woman of reproductive age, particularly in the 16-25, age range who don’t want to become pregnant to highly consider more long term options like nexplanon and IUDs

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Look GT, I *sincerely* hope you're right. I hope, with all of my heart, that all this fear mongering is for naught and we're just a bunch of massively anxious liberals. But honestly it's not that big of a stretch. Trump is not long for this world just based on age and health alone, but JD Vance is ready to step in. He's already put his thoughts out there about women and children. And we actually need to sustain our birth rate or it has significant problems for the economy down the line. Women (and couples) are having fewer children these days, and it could be a problem. U.S. Fertility Rate Drops to Another Historic Low. Then there is the ultra-right view on contraception as "abortefacients." Most legislative attempts to secure a right to birth control have failed. Senate Republicans block bill to recognize legal right to contraception. I'd love to be wrong about all this, but ya know, when some one tells you who they are, believe them.

Just to be clear, this is a political stunt that everyone should see through. Republicans do the same thing when they advance bills like when McConnell put all the planks of the Green New Deal platform up for a vote. Folks should see these as political stunts, not serious policy objectives.

I'd be willing to make a bet that if you put forth a bill that banned condoms or the pill instead of a nebulous banning birth control bill, you would get a much clearer picture of where Republicans and their voters stand. But of course Shumer didn't do that.

 

[heelinhell]

I would highly advise any woman of reproductive age, particularly in the 16-25, age range who don’t want to become pregnant to highly consider more long term options like nexplanon and IUDs

I would recommend that women consider the Lysistrata strategy to reclaim and protect their reproductive health care options...

 

[He's Not Here]

First they are going to use the Comstock Act to go after mifepristone. And then they will use it to go after the pill. You're right that they won't ban condoms (not that you could do so any way). Preserving male choice is a big part of their program.

100%

 

[Healing]

Yes, especially w/r/t the upcoming Thanksgiving holidays. Basically, libs should accept that I will be gloating about the election but still invite me / join me because it’s my right, my side won and it’s just politics — you should still like me anyway.

In my experience, maga genuinely believes damn near every unwanted consequence has an external locus of control.

 

[Healing]

How did the echo chamber work out for us? Maybe time to start listening to some different voices.

Every contrarian I've ever met thinks they're offering something unique.

 

[1moretimeagain]

 

[superrific]

In my experience, maga genuinely believes damn near every unwanted consequence has an external locus of control.

LOL. Great line. It's mind boggling, right? And yet the Jewish Space Lasers and Weather Control Machines were not a bad dream. That shit happened.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

For decades after WW2 the great majority of Americans were convinced that something like the Nazis could never happen here. Americans were different, too individualistic and freedom-loving, and so on. And the Germans were just weird and actually like that stuff. And yet here we are, with a majority of voters giving a fascist wannabe and his buddies complete and total control of the federal government. And no, I don't think that Trump is Hitler, but I do think he has many of the characteristics of the classic Banana Republic strongman (dictators) that used to control so many Third World countries 40 or 50 years ago (and in many cases with American assistance, such as the CIA). This country is broken - not just the government or Constitution or political system - but the American people are broken.

 

[dukeman92]

You can't fix stupid.

 

[tarheelbillie]

November 8, 2024

Social media has been flooded today with stories of Trump voters who are shocked to learn that tariffs will raise consumer prices as reporters are covering that information.

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

From the above link.
Marcotte recalled that Catherine Rampell and Youyou Zhou of the Washington Post showed before the election that voters overwhelmingly preferred Harris’s policies to Trump’s if they didn’t know which candidate proposed them. An Ipsos/Reuters poll from October showed that voters who were misinformed about immigration, crime, and the economy tended to vote Republican, while those who knew the facts preferred Democrats. Many Americans turn for information to social media or to friends and family who traffic in conspiracy theories. As Angelo Carusone of Media Matters put it: “We have a country that is pickled in right-wing misinformation and rage.”

Right-wing misinformation is akin to cross-contamination and is a major cause of mind poisoning. Ultimately, it causes a lot of harm to innocents.

 

[Awinisawin]

Dictators of powerful nations are most interested in no wars. They typically have a cap on their ego which most often is not too highly set

/s

 

[JCTarheel82]

Yes, especially w/r/t the upcoming Thanksgiving holidays. Basically, libs should accept that I will be gloating about the election but still invite me / join me because it’s my right, my side won and it’s just politics — you should still like me anyway.

There's some potential drama brewing around our family Thanksgiving get together. Gonna be some hurt feelings, imo.

 

[korgguy1971]

I feel like that tweet is a read this passage and identify the logical fallacy question on a test from my freshman year Deductive Logic class. And I have no fucking idea what the answer is.

 

[dukeman92]

There's some potential drama brewing around our family Thanksgiving get together. Gonna be some hurt feelings, imo.

I don't know what I'm going to do about this. If it were up to me, I'd cut them all off. Fuck 'em. But my wife doesn't want to cut her family off... so IDK what I'm going to do. If I stay home, I'm basically drawing battle lines in the sand that will probably lead to the end of my marriage. My wife and I share the same political views but her family is full of Trumpers who "love us" and are "good people" I really do hate Trump.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

How did the echo chamber work out for us? Maybe time to start listening to some different voices.

Agreed. You and I (plus others) play a key role on this board of exposing people to some differing perspectives on some things. They may not always appreciate us but they should