Walz v. Vance VP Debate - Post-Game Thread | Vance now says Trump won in 2020

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CFordUNC said:
I guess I just don't understand or agree with this line of thinking. It would be like if Democrats demanded to know why Republicans refuse to denounce kindergarteners getting massacred in their classrooms. Nobody who is serious or reasonable- even if they disagree with Republican gun control policies- thinks that Republicans are "okay" with elementary schoolers getting turned into a shooting gallery.
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An analogy would be when they ask pro-life Republicans if they would outlaw abortions even in cases of rape/incest/life of mother. And usually most (sane) Republicans are able to say publicly they’re ok with the exceptions. Trump for sure has said this.

So why can’t Democratic politicians talk about any moral line in the sand? It’s just strange.

Anyhow, moving on from abortion now….
 
dukeman92 said:
Vance is trying real hard to work on his likability tonight.
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What he’s doing is positioning himself for his own run next time around. He knows trump is in trouble and is setting himself up by not going to bat for trump anymore than he has to, and picking and choosing the effective points of trump’s platform.

This is a glimpse of the post-trump Republican Party.
 
unc879 said:
Vance doesn't sound like a MAGA lunatic and Walz doesn't sound like socialist, Marxist, radical leftist.
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Agreed. It’s actually refreshing to listen to these two guys debate. Both are pretty good. I wish these two guys were at the top of the tickets instead of Harris and Trump.
 
rodoheel said:
My biggest takeaway is that this is what debates can be like - this is what elections can sound like - if you get rid of Trump and MAGA. This is what debates used to sound like - i.e., Obama vs. Romney. Candidates agreeing in many instances about both what the problems are and what the solutions are. Civility, not an immature pissing match. Having this MAGA poison in our political system is what makes everything toxic and awful. JD Vance sounds mostly reasonable on this debate stage, but the second he steps off of it he'll be right back to "they're eating the cats and dogs" and all the other BS because he's entirely in the thrall of Trump and the MAGA hordes.

We don't have to do the crazy stuff. Trump and a vocal MAGA minority bring the crazy stuff that no one wants. Yet people who think of themselves as reasonable centrists and don't really like the crazy are still going to vote for him in droves.
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he definitely sounds more reasonable and is more well-spoken but he's still lying incessantly.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Yeah, what was that? I wasn’t even sure if I heard it right it sounded so weird. I guess he was trying today he had”s become friends with people who were present during school shootings?
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He meant to say "I've become friends with victims of school shootings", but he's trying to talk too fast. Just slow down.
 
duluoz said:
What he’s doing is positioning himself for his own run next time around. He knows trump is in trouble and is setting himself up by not going to bat for trump anymore than he has to, and picking and choosing the effective points of trump’s platform.

This is a glimpse of the post-trump Republican Party.
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No they are going to 25th Trump
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
An analogy would be when they ask pro-life Republicans if they would outlaw abortions even in cases of rape/incest/life of mother. And usually most (sane) Republicans are able to say publicly they’re ok with the exceptions. Trump for sure has said this.

So why can’t Democratic politicians talk about any moral line in the sand? It’s just strange.

Anyhow, moving on from abortion now….
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The difference is that there are state laws on the books, passed by Republicans, that don't allow for those exceptions. That ban abortion after just a few weeks. That criminalize doctors provide abortions leading to people getting killed.

These are not hypotheticals. These are laws, on the books, passed by Republican legislatures. Where are the laws passed by Democrats that enact the crazy hypotheticals Republicans rail about - like abortion after birth, that Trump just tweeted about like 15 minutes ago?
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
An analogy would be when they ask pro-life Republicans if they would outlaw abortions even in cases of rape/incest/life of mother. And usually most (sane) Republicans are able to say publicly they’re ok with the exceptions. Trump for sure has said this.

So why can’t Democratic politicians talk about any moral line in the sand? It’s just strange.

Anyhow, moving on from abortion now….
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I think we may be talking in circles here. I'm not familiar with any singular Democratic politician who has ever said that elective abortions should be legal in the 3rd trimester, so I suppose they don't see a need to answer a weird hypothetical that is most likely not being asked in good faith. That's just my guess, but it's only a guess. I just think it's probably seen as an attempted "gotcha" question that isn't worth validating.
 
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