Where do we go from here?

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Democrats have to become the party of individual freedom (do what you want, do your church and the government can stay out of it). It's right there on a platter to take back.

That is also the step to start to win again in red states. Democrats need to be able to win senate seats in the Dakotas, Montana, Indiana, Kentucky, etc. We used to just 20 years ago with regularity. We HAVE to take advantage of this party shift that is happening.
 
finesse said:
First you have to get them to accept that individual freedom includes everyone and not just theirs. The reds are big on recognizing their own rights.

I don't see why you say that we have to become that party. Who do you think we've been all this time?
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We have been. But red folks don't see us as that because we haven't said it explicitly
 
HeelingAg said:
I feel confident this “I know a guy” story is bullshit. Also, it’s the type of brazen lying (assuming I’m right) that the Dem party should flood into social media every. Single. Day.
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I do actually have a friend from UNC that is buying one year’s worth of inventory for his company to keep his prices the same for 2025.
If his prices increase due to the republicans voters idiotic wish for tariffs, then he will raise his prices in 2026.
 
Lando said:
None of it works without popping the media bubble.
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I just don't see how that happens though. There is no way to force people away from bad media sources. The major social media networks tried deplatforming Trump and others and it was clearly both really unpopular and completely ineffective, because there are myriad other ways to get your message out. Tucker Carlson got fired from Fox News for running them into a billion-dollar defamation settlement and he just became an even more powerful and less fettered source of disinformation. Outside of revolutionizing defamation law to better punish reckless and intentional lying, I find it hard to see what can be done. And I don't even see how that can be done within our existing legal frameworks without running afoul of the First Amendment.
 
ChileG said:
I do actually have a friend from UNC that is buying one year’s worth of inventory for his company to keep his prices the same for 2025.
If his prices increase due to the republicans voters idiotic wish for tariffs, then he will raise his prices in 2026.
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I don’t doubt variations of this are happening. It’s the convenience of each element of the original story that make it sound like an “I know a guy” sTory.
 
rodoheel said:
I just don't see how that happens though. There is no way to force people away from bad media sources. The major social media networks tried deplatforming Trump and others and it was clearly both really unpopular and completely ineffective, because there are myriad other ways to get your message out. Tucker Carlson got fired from Fox News for running them into a billion-dollar defamation settlement and he just became an even more powerful and less fettered source of disinformation. Outside of revolutionizing defamation law to better punish reckless and intentional lying, I find it hard to see what can be done. And I don't even see how that can be done within our existing legal frameworks without running afoul of the First Amendment.
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Tucker may be more unfettered, but I think his influence has waned.
 
LosPollosHermanos said:
And unless Wake and Mecklenburg are reproducing at a faster rate than the 80 or so red counties in NC, things will not change. Trump's numbers with young men are very discouraging.
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When Trump’s economy continues to leave young behind, they’ll abandon him. They’ll glom onto whoever is speaking to them in the moment.
 
aGDevil2k said:
We have been. But red folks don't see us as that because we haven't said it explicitly
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Dems support the individual freedoms they like such as abortion. No so much on individual freedoms on:

Gun ownership
Vaccine mandates (“my body my choice”)
Excessive regulations
Free speech on social media
Freedom to purchase vehicle of choice (EV mandate)
Gas stoves and ovens
School choice

….you get the point.
 
Ramrouser said:
Dems support the individual freedoms they like such as abortion. No so much on individual freedoms on:

Gun ownership
Vaccine mandates (“my body my choice”)
Excessive regulations
Free speech on social media
Freedom to purchase vehicle of choice (EV mandate)
Gas stoves and ovens
School choice

….you get the point.
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A lot of that is bullshit though.

- Dems have never done shit about guns. They should, but they won’t.
- Vaccine mandates have existed for as long as vaccines have. The opposition to this vaccine is based solely on people being angry that shitty COVID response cost Trump the 2020 election and the vaccine is a reminder of that. Pubs were all in on a vaccine mandate when they thought it would get approval in time for the election and for Trump to be hailed as a pandemic-defeating hero. When that failed to happen Pubs through a tantrum and did everything in their power to make the pandemic worse in Biden’s first few months.
- Excessive regulations, what does that even mean? Which regulations are actually excessive and which are hard learned lessons? Are you ready to go back to the era of rivers catching fire and toxic waste dumps poisoning communities?
- Free speech on social media? Right wing nut jobs run virtually all social media. This is another red herring.
- Nobody is banning your vehicle of choice
- Nobody is banning gas stoves
- “School choice” is just an excuse to hand tax dollars to religious organizations, which should not be happening and to re-segregate schools rather than actually work to fix them.
 
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Ramrouser said:
Dems support the individual freedoms they like such as abortion. No so much on individual freedoms on:

Gun ownership
Vaccine mandates (“my body my choice”)
Excessive regulations
Free speech on social media
Freedom to purchase vehicle of choice (EV mandate)
Gas stoves and ovens
School choice

….you get the point.
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Nah, I don’t think any of us get your point, actually.

Gun ownership: no Democratic candidate said anything about gun confiscation. In fact, both Democratic candidates on the presidential ticket are proud gun owners. And the majority of mainstream Democrats support the right to gun ownership- I certainly do, as I now own two myself. It’s just that we also support common sense measures and restrictions that help to keep guns from being owned or purchased by people who have no business owning them: convicted felons, violent offenders, mentally ill individuals, etc.

Vaccine mandates: no Democratic candidate ran on forcing parents to vaccinate their children. Parents have an option to not vaccinate their children, and public schools have the option to not allow unvaccinated children to enroll.

Excessive regulations: no clue what you mean by this so I won’t even touch it.

Free speech on social media: which Democratic candidates advocated for oppression of free speech on social media? Not sure how you, as a Republican, can complain about free speech on social media given that one of the largest social media platforms in the world is owned by the GOP’s largest benefactor.

Freedom to purchase vehicle of choice: which Democratic candidates have run on a platform of not allowing you to buy vehicles run on fossil fuels?

Gas stoves and ovens: which Democratic candidates have run on a platform of prohibiting you from being able to buy gas stoves?
 
Ramrouser said:
Dems support the individual freedoms they like such as abortion. No so much on individual freedoms on:

Gun ownership
Vaccine mandates (“my body my choice”)
Excessive regulations
Free speech on social media
Freedom to purchase vehicle of choice (EV mandate)
Gas stoves and ovens
School choice

….you get the point.
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I'll give you guns but there is no Government mandate for Vaccines, limiting of free speech on social media, EV mandate, or Gas stove ban.

Excessive regulation is subjective and related to businesses and not individuals. The term school choice is just a way for the right to divert money to private schools to help those who don't want their kids to go to school with undesirables.
 
HeelingAg said:
I don’t doubt variations of this are happening. It’s the convenience of each element of the original story that make it sound like an “I know a guy” sTory.
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100% agree. The story you posted didn’t sound completely true to me.
 
Ramrouser said:
Dems support the individual freedoms they like such as abortion. No so much on individual freedoms on:

Gun ownership
Vaccine mandates (“my body my choice”)
Excessive regulations
Free speech on social media
Freedom to purchase vehicle of choice (EV mandate)
Gas stoves and ovens
School choice

….you get the point.
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I do get your point, if your point is that the election was decided by low information voters.
 
LeoBloom said:
So vaccines are now about personal freedom?

My gosh, our situation is worse than I thought.
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What this dude is saying is that people should have the right to not take a vaccine but other people shouldn’t have the right to fire them for not taking the vaccine.
 
Ramrouser said:
Dems support the individual freedoms they like such as abortion. No so much on individual freedoms on:

Gun ownership
Vaccine mandates (“my body my choice”)
Excessive regulations
Free speech on social media
Freedom to purchase vehicle of choice (EV mandate)
Gas stoves and ovens
School choice

….you get the point.
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What a stupid take. Did you actually read this? It sure doesn't seem like it. Try again. And this time use your brain.
 
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