Where do we go from here?

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HeelYeah2012 said:
Being completely honest, I haven’t followed a single one of those cases in detail so I have zero informed opinion on whatever those cases are about and what the specific evidence showed. If my life depended on me trying to name you 3 of the 30+ felonies he’s been charged with, I couldn’t do it.
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HeelYeah2012 said:
I believe that Trump was only prosecuted because he upsets the political machine like no other person in modern history. Not because he committed serious crimes.
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Interesting juxtaposition of opinions. You were certainly correct about the "zero informed opinion" part, though. Blind squirrel, nut, etc...
 
gregh1 said:
Another from Twitter:
"A reminder that when Trump supporters were given Harris policy proposals blindly they supported them. Also, those who had incorrect facts about the major issues - economy, inflation, crime, border - they overwhelmingly went Trump. Those with facts went Harris."

I still think the outreach/comms/disinfo/education is the first thing that needs to be fixed.
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Exactly why the far right wants to dismantle our education system.
 
ChileG said:
I do actually have a friend from UNC that is buying one year’s worth of inventory for his company to keep his prices the same for 2025.
If his prices increase due to the republicans voters idiotic wish for tariffs, then he will raise his prices in 2026.
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He'll need to raise the price in 2025 to have the capital for 2026 inventory, will he not?
 
Ramrouser said:
Dems support the individual freedoms they like such as abortion. No so much on individual freedoms on:

Gun ownership
Vaccine mandates (“my body my choice”)
Excessive regulations
Free speech on social media
Freedom to purchase vehicle of choice (EV mandate)
Gas stoves and ovens
School choice

….you get the point.
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Vaccines are not simply your body your choice.

If you get sick then you will probably share those germs and make others sick. You can see the upward trend of measles since the antivaxers have been pushing their disinformation. As well as an upward trend for polio. This isn't equal to a pregnant woman. You know this, you know being around a pregnant woman isn't going to lead to an outbreak.

Everyone has school choice. The right just wants the government to pay for there religious schools. You can send your child to a school of your choice, you simply have to pay for it.

Putting out knowledge of possible issues caused by burning gas stoves is not banning gas stoves.
 
LeoBloom said:
So vaccines are now about personal freedom?

My gosh, our situation is worse than I thought.
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How would a trump cultists respond? They would say that the person needs to suffer for their choices. So when a person shows up at the doctor with measles, if they refused the vaccine they should be sent home without treatment.

Sometimes I want to respond in kind, then I realize how inhuman that is.
 
UNCatTech said:
How would a trump cultists respond? They would say that the person needs to suffer for their choices. So when a person shows up at the doctor with measles, if they refused the vaccine they should be sent home without treatment.

Sometimes I want to respond in kind, then I realize how inhuman that is.
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I guess the concept of herd immunity and public health just doesn’t matter to MAGA
 
UNCatTech said:
Vaccines are not simply your body your choice.

If you get sick then you will probably share those germs and make others sick. You can see the upward trend of measles since the antivaxers have been pushing their disinformation. As well as an upward trend for polio. This isn't equal to a pregnant woman. You know this, you know being around a pregnant woman isn't going to lead to an outbreak.

Everyone has school choice. The right just wants the government to pay for there religious schools. You can send your child to a school of your choice, you simply have to pay for it.

Putting out knowledge of possible issues caused by burning gas stoves is not banning gas stoves.
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I should have been clear: COVID vaccine mandates not ordinary vaccines. Specifically, those in the military who lost their jobs for refusing the COVID vaccines.
 
I know no one can answer this question, but where does it stop? I mean, where does personal freedom end?

For decades, vaccines were a given. Who was questioning vaccines? Almost no one. Now, some people falsely claim vaccines lead to autism or other maladies and suddenly getting vaccines is about personal freedom.

What's the next arena for personal freedom? We have had guns, obviously. We have "school choice." We have "religious freedom" (which apparently means I should be able to inflict my religion on you in any setting I choose). We have, I guess, freedom from vaccines. What is next? Freedom for smokers? They should be able to fire up any where they want?
 
Ramrouser said:
I should have been clear: COVID vaccine mandates not ordinary vaccines. Specifically, those in the military who lost their jobs for refusing the COVID vaccines.
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They probably would have lost their jobs (or never gotten them) for refusing any other mandated vaccines, too. Blame the cynics and grifters who politicized the COVID vaccine such that a lot of people were tricked into opposing it on ideological grounds.
 
Ramrouser said:
I should have been clear: COVID vaccine mandates not ordinary vaccines. Specifically, those in the military who lost their jobs for refusing the COVID vaccines.
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As others mentioned freedom goes both ways. If they want the freedom to not be vaccinated, so be it, but employers should also have the freedom to not employ them

Also, the antivax movement isn't limiting this to the military COVID mandate.
 
Ramrouser said:
I should have been clear: COVID vaccine mandates not ordinary vaccines. Specifically, those in the military who lost their jobs for refusing the COVID vaccines.
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Were they thrown in jail for their decision? Or did they simply make a personal decision that they prefer to not have the Covid vaccine more than they prefer to keep their job?
 
LeoBloom said:
I know no one can answer this question, but where does it stop? I mean, where does personal freedom end?

For decades, vaccines were a given. Who was questioning vaccines? Almost no one. Now, some people falsely claim vaccines lead to autism or other maladies and suddenly getting vaccines is about personal freedom.

What's the next arena for personal freedom? We have had guns, obviously. We have "school choice." We have "religious freedom" (which apparently means I should be able to inflict my religion on you in any setting I choose). We have, I guess, freedom from vaccines. What is next? Freedom for smokers? They should be able to fire up any where they want?
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Kind of like marijuana smokers? How about the freedom from marijuana smoke (what happened to the cigarette 2nd hand smoke nazis?) and that awful smell that infects lots of big cities.
 
Ramrouser said:
Dems support the individual freedoms they like such as abortion. No so much on individual freedoms on:

Gun ownership
Vaccine mandates (“my body my choice”)
Excessive regulations
Free speech on social media
Freedom to purchase vehicle of choice (EV mandate)
Gas stoves and ovens
School choice

….you get the point.
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OMG the government mandated that all citizens purchase EVs? Tell me more.

Liberals don't oppose people choosing any school they want. What they do (rightly) oppose is taxpayer money being used for people to go to private (especially private religious) schools. That isn't a restriction on freedom, it's a restriction on use of taxpayer dollars for any education other than public education. Send your kids to private school if you want, just don't ask me to pay for it.

You could have added that liberals also restricted your freedoms by mandating seatbelts and airbags, establishing automobile emissions standards, establishing air and water pollution standards, passing child labor laws and all sorts of other labor standards (40 hour work week, overtime pay and weekends, OSHA regulations, etc), regulating cigarette advertising, etc. Because there's no freedom more important than conservatives than the freedom to die an early death and force everyone else to as well.
 
Ramrouser said:
I should have been clear: COVID vaccine mandates not ordinary vaccines. Specifically, those in the military who lost their jobs for refusing the COVID vaccines.
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You feel like there’s a big difference between the Covid vaccines and the multiple other vaccines members of the military are required to receive?
 
rodoheel said:
OMG the government mandated that all citizens purchase EVs? Tell me more.

Liberals don't oppose people choosing any school they want. What they do (rightly) oppose is taxpayer money being used for people to go to private (especially private religious) schools. That isn't a restriction on freedom, it's a restriction on use of taxpayer dollars for any education other than public education. Send your kids to private school if you want, just don't ask me to pay for it.

You could have added that liberals also restricted your freedoms by mandating seatbelts and airbags, establishing automobile emissions standards, establishing air and water pollution standards, passing child labor laws and all sorts of other labor standards (40 hour work week, overtime pay and weekends, OSHA regulations, etc), regulating cigarette advertising, etc. Because there's no freedom more important than conservatives than the freedom to die an early death and force everyone else to as well.
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The school choice reminds me of the claim that prayer was banned in schools. It wasn't but mandated teacher lead prayer was.

Everyone knows that an individual can and should be allowed to, pray personally.
 
Ramrouser said:
Kind of like marijuana smokers? How about the freedom from marijuana smoke (what happened to the cigarette 2nd hand smoke nazis?) and that awful smell that infects lots of big cities.
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I don't follow. Marijuana smokers can toke wherever they want?
 
Ramrouser said:
Kind of like marijuana smokers? How about the freedom from marijuana smoke (what happened to the cigarette 2nd hand smoke nazis?) and that awful smell that infects lots of big cities.
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No proof that marijuana smoke is harmful.
 
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