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I posted this in another thread, but I think it fits here as well.

One thing that ought to be noted, as it's become clearer as more election results are posted, is just how much of this GOP victory was a victory for Trump and not necessarily the party as a whole. In state after state we're seeing Republican Senate or House candidates running well behind Trump and losing. The latest Republican to lose is Sam Brown in Nevada, who got over 70,000 fewer votes than Trump. And we're seeing this pattern over and over again across the country. It really does seem as if voters loved them some Trump but were much less enthusiastic about other members of his party. It's small comfort for the short term, but I do wonder if Trumpism will be transferable to any of the current crop of future GOP presidential contenders, including even people like Haley or Youngkin or Vance. I have doubts that any of them could bring out the vote as Trump did in 2020 and this year. But of course that doesn't excuse the failures of the Democrats or their need to connect with more voters.
 
heelinhell said:
If the mass deportation is implemented ( I have my doubts) then I would support as part of the plan to identify any employer who hired said captured illegal immigrant who will be deported and charge that employer with a felony for each illegal hired with a punishment up to 20 years in prison.

This would deter employers from hiring illegals which in turn would deter illegals from entering our country to seek employment for a better way of life.
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I agree about going after the employers of illegals. But I also think the narrative that the illegals are “only taking jobs that Americans don’t want” is irritating to many tradesmen that don’t see this as accurate in their world. In many agricultural and meat processing jobs this is probably true, but many local Joe tradesmen get undercut on quotes from basically immigrant crews. I have seen this on several jobs I’ve had quoted in various types of trades and always go with the local Joe types, trying to do my part to support them. It definitely does reduce the amount they can realistically quote, however.
 
Another from Twitter:
"A reminder that when Trump supporters were given Harris policy proposals blindly they supported them. Also, those who had incorrect facts about the major issues - economy, inflation, crime, border - they overwhelmingly went Trump. Those with facts went Harris."

I still think the outreach/comms/disinfo/education is the first thing that needs to be fixed.
 
HandsonFire said:
Some of you might find this post interesting.


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I read that wanting to get mad but I couldn’t disagree with most of it. He made a lot of good points.

I do feel like the democrats are fighting for these communities (against strong currents) but clearly the messaging is inadequate.

I think the part about the exceptional black men is a really good point. The problem I have is that it is conservatives who push the narrative that a successful black man escaping poverty means all should been capable of doing it. That isn’t a narrative that the left is pushing.
 
rodoheel said:
Well the easiest thing to do would be to just rope in his wife, who is just as good a communicator. But I don't think she has any interest.
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I hate to say this, but I feel like this election showed that a woman of color just isn’t going to have a good chance of winning a national election against this new wave of Republican fanaticism. Michelle Obama has already been firmly in the cross hairs of conservatives making racist and misogynistic jabs about her. If she ran for president, all of that what come right back to the forefront in the same way that conservatives smeared Kamala Harris as a “slut”.
 
GQNC said:
I agree about going after the employers of illegals. But I also think the narrative that the illegals are “only taking jobs that Americans don’t want” is irritating to many tradesmen that don’t see this as accurate in their world. In many agricultural and meat processing jobs this is probably true, but many local Joe tradesmen get undercut on quotes from basically immigrant crews. I have seen this on several jobs I’ve had quoted in various types of trades and always go with the local Joe types, trying to do my part to support them. It definitely does reduce the amount they can realistically quote, however.
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From my experience, which is a little dated since I retired about 7 years ago, the major impact is on apartment and tract home construction and mostly in roofing, carpentry, insulation, painting and masonry. Licensed trades like plumbing, electrical, HVAC and such didn't seem to get much pressure. I did mostly custom stuff and never felt any competition. Their presence did keep prices down some for everybody, though.
 
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sringwal said:
Oprah would win, but she doesn’t want it.
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I think Haley would probably win, too. I don’t think being a woman of color is an absolute disqualifier. You just can’t be a liberal DC insider in this particular political moment.
 
Democrats have to become the party of individual freedom (do what you want, do your church and the government can stay out of it). It's right there on a platter to take back.

That is also the step to start to win again in red states. Democrats need to be able to win senate seats in the Dakotas, Montana, Indiana, Kentucky, etc. We used to just 20 years ago with regularity. We HAVE to take advantage of this party shift that is happening.
 
First you have to get them to accept that individual freedom includes everyone and not just theirs. The reds are big on recognizing their own rights.

I don't see why you say that we have to become that party. Who do you think we've been all this time?
 
finesse said:
First you have to get them to accept that individual freedom includes everyone and not just theirs. The reds are big on recognizing their own rights.

I don't see why you say that we have to become that party. Who do you think we've been all this time?
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We have been. But red folks don't see us as that because we haven't said it explicitly
 
HeelingAg said:
I feel confident this “I know a guy” story is bullshit. Also, it’s the type of brazen lying (assuming I’m right) that the Dem party should flood into social media every. Single. Day.
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I do actually have a friend from UNC that is buying one year’s worth of inventory for his company to keep his prices the same for 2025.
If his prices increase due to the republicans voters idiotic wish for tariffs, then he will raise his prices in 2026.
 
Lando said:
None of it works without popping the media bubble.
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I just don't see how that happens though. There is no way to force people away from bad media sources. The major social media networks tried deplatforming Trump and others and it was clearly both really unpopular and completely ineffective, because there are myriad other ways to get your message out. Tucker Carlson got fired from Fox News for running them into a billion-dollar defamation settlement and he just became an even more powerful and less fettered source of disinformation. Outside of revolutionizing defamation law to better punish reckless and intentional lying, I find it hard to see what can be done. And I don't even see how that can be done within our existing legal frameworks without running afoul of the First Amendment.
 
ChileG said:
I do actually have a friend from UNC that is buying one year’s worth of inventory for his company to keep his prices the same for 2025.
If his prices increase due to the republicans voters idiotic wish for tariffs, then he will raise his prices in 2026.
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I don’t doubt variations of this are happening. It’s the convenience of each element of the original story that make it sound like an “I know a guy” sTory.
 
rodoheel said:
I just don't see how that happens though. There is no way to force people away from bad media sources. The major social media networks tried deplatforming Trump and others and it was clearly both really unpopular and completely ineffective, because there are myriad other ways to get your message out. Tucker Carlson got fired from Fox News for running them into a billion-dollar defamation settlement and he just became an even more powerful and less fettered source of disinformation. Outside of revolutionizing defamation law to better punish reckless and intentional lying, I find it hard to see what can be done. And I don't even see how that can be done within our existing legal frameworks without running afoul of the First Amendment.
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Tucker may be more unfettered, but I think his influence has waned.
 
LosPollosHermanos said:
And unless Wake and Mecklenburg are reproducing at a faster rate than the 80 or so red counties in NC, things will not change. Trump's numbers with young men are very discouraging.
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When Trump’s economy continues to leave young behind, they’ll abandon him. They’ll glom onto whoever is speaking to them in the moment.
 
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