Where do we go from here?

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BlueSmoke said:
Where do we go from here? How do we get the country back on track? Questions asked in the opening post.

Important stuff to be sure. Right now, keeping Democracy on track for the next two years has to be the most important thing or the other stuff won't matter. Trump first goal is to accumulate enough power so he can corrupt the mid term election so he can't be blocked. Things like purging the military EO that may be coming are very concerning.
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I've been saying it for a while, even though I really, really don't want to believe it. This was our last chance to avoid a choice between civil war and dictatorship. It will not end without violence, and probably a lot of it.

Trump is sending an unmistakable message that he intends to rule with an iron fist and intends never to give up power.
 
superrific said:
I've been saying it for a while, even though I really, really don't want to believe it. This was our last chance to avoid a choice between civil war and dictatorship. It will not end without violence, and probably a lot of it.

Trump is sending an unmistakable message that he intends to rule with an iron fist and intends never to give up power.
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We'll see how Trump actually "rules". The doom and gloom contingency seems to have a disproportionate influence on public perception. That isn't unique to either party.

You have to wonder why, despite the doom and gloom being spread by a significant portion of the media on a daily basis, the increase in support from Hispanic and black voters was undeniable. It's almost like it's all falling on deaf ears.

Maybe the way for the Democratic party to get into power and "get the country back on track" is to get back to change their message and how they are perceived by voters who don't blindly fall for the "the world is going to end if Trump wins" approach.

The voters are sending a message, but the Democratic party seems to be content with plugging their ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA".
 
ZenMode said:
We'll see how Trump actually "rules". The doom and gloom contingency seems to have a disproportionate influence on public perception. That isn't unique to either party.

You have to wonder why, despite the doom and gloom being spread by a significant portion of the media on a daily basis, the increase in support from Hispanic and black voters was undeniable. It's almost like it's all falling on deaf ears.

Maybe the way for the Democratic party to get into power and "get the country back on track" is to get back to change their message and how they are perceived by voters who don't blindly fall for the "the world is going to end if Trump wins" approach.

The voters are sending a message, but the Democratic party seems to be content with plugging their ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA".
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Dude. Open your fucking eyes for a change.

Trump has drafted an executive order letting him promote or demote generals more or less at his will. Now he has nominated a Fox News host to be Secretary of Defense. Read between the lines. Fuck, just read the lines. He is planning on using the military against Americans, and he is trying to clean out in advance anyone and everyone who might stop him. He thinks he was given a mandate to completely take over the government and become an autocrat. Which, in fairness, is exactly what SCOTUS and the GOP has allowed him or even pushed him to do.

I don't give a fuck about who voted for him. He's doing exactly what he said he was going to do, which is also what people like me have worried about for a long time, and people like you think you're clever and above it all. Yuk it up, furball.
 
superrific said:
Dude. Open your fucking eyes for a change.

Trump has drafted an executive order letting him promote or demote generals more or less at his will. Now he has nominated a Fox News host to be Secretary of Defense. Read between the lines. Fuck, just read the lines. He is planning on using the military against Americans, and he is trying to clean out in advance anyone and everyone who might stop him. He thinks he was given a mandate to completely take over the government and become an autocrat. Which, in fairness, is exactly what SCOTUS and the GOP has allowed him or even pushed him to do.

I don't give a fuck about who voted for him. He's doing exactly what he said he was going to do, which is also what people like me have worried about for a long time, and people like you think you're clever and above it all. Yuk it up, furball.
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"I don't give a fuck about who voted for him."

Maybe you should if you truly care about keeping the next Trump out of office. It took Biden a matter of days to sign an executive order guaranteeing sex change surgeries for prisoners here illegally and over 2 years to sign an EO to address the border crisis.

How many commercials did you see showing her interview about sex change surgeries for illegal prisoners and then overlaying "She's for they/them. He's for you." I saw at least 3. Why? Because they knew that was a hot issue for voters
 
ZenMode said:
"I don't give a fuck about who voted for him."

Maybe you should if you truly care about keeping the next Trump out of office. It took Biden a matter of days to sign an executive order guaranteeing sex change surgeries for prisoners here illegally and over 2 years to sign an EO to address the border crisis.

How many commercials did you see showing her interview about sex change surgeries for illegal prisoners and then overlaying "She's for they/them. He's for you." I saw at least 3. Why? Because they knew that was a hot issue for voters
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1. You are lying about the executive orders. All of them.
2. I don't give a shit about whether voters thought they/them were important.

Your guy is running roughshod over democracy and plans to continue. So when and if we save our land from your perfidious, evil swamp creatures, I don't think too many people are going to give a shit about your preferences.
 
ZenMode said:
"I don't give a fuck about who voted for him."

Maybe you should if you truly care about keeping the next Trump out of office. It took Biden a matter of days to sign an executive order guaranteeing sex change surgeries for prisoners here illegally and over 2 years to sign an EO to address the border crisis.

How many commercials did you see showing her interview about sex change surgeries for illegal prisoners and then overlaying "She's for they/them. He's for you." I saw at least 3. Why? Because they knew that was a hot issue for voters
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Yes, as we said the low information voters that don't understand numbers. How many of those sex change operations do you think happened? If any I'd be willing to bet less than .0001 percent of the prison population.
 
superrific said:
1. You are lying about the executive orders. All of them.
2. I don't give a shit about whether voters thought they/them were important.

Your guy is running roughshod over democracy and plans to continue. So when and if we save our land from your perfidious, evil swamp creatures, I don't think too many people are going to give a shit about your preferences.
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1. I was wrong on the EO. He signed an EO guaranteeing that males could use girl's restroom in the first days and signed an EO to address the border years later.

He's not my guy and they clearly aren't only my preferences but, hey, if the Dem party keeps down their current path, maybe The first female president will be Candace Owens.
 
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UNCatTech said:
Yes, as we said the low information voters that don't understand numbers. How many of those sex change operations do you think happened? If any I'd be willing to bet less than .0001 percent of the prison population.
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Fed govt spent something like 3 billion dollars on Viagra for Us Military last year
 
ZenMode said:
1. I was wrong on the EO. He signed an EO guaranteeing that makes could use girl's restroom in the first days and signed an EO to address the border years later.

He's not my guy and they clearly aren't only my preferences but, hey if the Dem party keeps down their current path, maybe The first female president will be Candace Owens.
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There are two sides, and only two sides. If you're not on the side of good, which you are not, then it doesn't matter what fairy tales you tell yourself to help you sleep at night.

You are still lying about the executive orders. Literally the first day of office he signed EO 13993, about civil immigration policies and priorities.

Wake the fuck up, dude. They are pulling the wool over your eyes and telling you that you're smart, and you're gobbling it up.
 
superrific said:
There are two sides, and only two sides. If you're not on the side of good, which you are not, then it doesn't matter what fairy tales you tell yourself to help you sleep at night.

You are still lying about the executive orders. Literally the first day of office he signed EO 13993, about civil immigration policies and priorities.

Wake the fuck up, dude. They are pulling the wool over your eyes and telling you that you're smart, and you're gobbling it up.
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If there are are truly only two sides, it appears that the country is more scared of the Democratic parties direction than they are of the so-called next Hitler.

I underestimated the time frame, but it was still more than 2 years between executive orders.

EO 14021:
Guaranteeing an Educational Environment Free From Discrimination on the Basis of Sex, Including Sexual Orientation or Gender Identity

Signed:March 8, 2021

Published:March 11, 2021FR Citation:86 FR 13803FR Doc. Number:2021-05200
 
ZenMode said:
1. I was wrong on the EO. He signed an EO guaranteeing that males could use girl's restroom in the first days and signed an EO to address the border years later.

He's not my guy and they clearly aren't only my preferences but, hey, if the Dem party keeps down their current path, maybe The first female president will be Candace Owens.
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Do you have male and female restrooms in your home?
 
ZenMode said:
If there are are truly only two sides, it appears that the country is more scared of the Democratic parties direction than they are of the so-called next Hitler.
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Well, you could say the same thing about Germans in 1933. It doesn't change reality.

Trump is appointing toadies to lead the military and justice departments in order to rule like a tyrant, and you're still worried about bathrooms.
 
ZenMode said:
No, but I also don't allow unknown males into my house to use the restroom with my daughter.
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Come on man, this has been discussed so many times, it's ridiculous.

The whole fear of man in the restroom is overblown. And, AND, it's already illegal to assault some, in or out of a bathroom.

All this bullshit did was get women who are a little feminine looking harrased.

Bunch of fucking idiots think there's an epidemic of pervs dressing as women so they can see someone pee. Just fucking stupid.
 
superrific said:
I've been saying it for a while, even though I really, really don't want to believe it. This was our last chance to avoid a choice between civil war and dictatorship. It will not end without violence, and probably a lot of it.

Trump is sending an unmistakable message that he intends to rule with an iron fist and intends never to give up power.
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I don't think a civil war will happen or even violence. Democracy will just slip away like in Hungary and the people will let it happen. They pretty much already dd. there are enough "other groups" to pick off one by one before the majority population realizes "oh shit, we're fucked"
 
Here's what I kind of don't get about the bathrooms thing:

If some guy wanted to dress up as a woman to go into a ladies' restroom.....then why wouldn't he just dress up as a woman and go into the ladies' restroom? Not sure a discussion about transgender rights prevents or promotes that...
 
UNCatTech said:
Come on man, this has been discussed so many times, it's ridiculous.

The whole fear of man in the restroom is overblown. And, AND, it's already illegal to assault some, in or out of a bathroom.

All this bullshit did was get women who are a little feminine looking harrased.

Bunch of fucking idiots think there's an epidemic of pervs dressing as women so they can see someone pee. Just fucking stupid.
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It may be over blown. At the very least there isn't a truly good solution. But, again, the point isn't to debate bathroom usage, it's about the perception of priorities by the Biden admin.
 
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