Where do we go from here?

[wmheel1287]

We can agree to disagree. Democrats beat Trump with a competitive primary IMO.

This I agree with and said as much all along. Biden should have never remotely considered running.

 

[Paine]

Correct...so now you've got to find a way to not lose people like me who think leftists policy proposals are as much bunk as Trump’s.

Find a way to convince me that you're just running the show for those who want it but you won't run us into the ditch economically with ideas that are poorly conceived.

That's the needle that has to be threaded.

Okay, that’s an actual conversation that can be had in the coming weeks.

 

[finesse]

We can agree to disagree. Democrats beat Trump with a competitive primary IMO.

Are you assuming the Biden would have or should have withdrawn? If he didn't, and with him leading us to the best post pandemic recovery of the G7, you'd have to both wonder why he would and what affect that might have on the recovery, who do you think would have beat him out?

 

[OGtruthhurts]

Both parties are complete garbage in a garbage political system that glorifies and rewards lying. A truthful politician is an unemployed politician.

 

[Paine]

Are you assuming the Biden would have or should have withdrawn? If he didn't, and with him leading us to the best post pandemic recovery of the G7, you'd have to both wonder why he would and what affect that might have on the recovery, who do you think would have beat him out?

I’m assuming that Biden announces at the beginning he’s a one term president and we have a normal Democratic primary in 2023-2024, not some weird flash primary like Pelosi wanted to do.

It would’ve been easier for another Democrat to attach themselves to the positive parts of Biden’s presidency while distancing themselves from the unpopular parts in ways that Harris was unable to do.

 

[finesse]

I think that would have been a sure fire way for him to have never been taken seriously as a president. I don't see that being good for the party or country. He'd have probably lost if he ran on it and people would have felt betrayed if he announced it just after election.

 

[Paine]

I think that would have been a sure fire way for him to have never been taken seriously as a president. I don't see that being good for the party or country. He'd have probably lost if he ran on it and people would have felt betrayed if he announced it just after election.

Strongly disagree. I think it puts the Dems in a much stronger position if Biden announces he’s a one-term prez. It would’ve allowed time for our deep bench to mount their own campaigns, and we could’ve seen whose ideas came out on top.

Again, Biden heavily insinuated during the campaign that he would be a one-term “bridge” to the next generation of Democratic leadership. A lot of people voted for him on this premise. I don’t think people would’ve felt some great betrayal. He could’ve used all his energy to make a difference in 4 years and then handed it off.

 

[finesse]

I didn't get those insinuations but, in fairness, I wasn't likely to. I do think that I would have gotten some of that if it was an actual subtext. I'm not buying that a lot of of people voted for him on that premise. They might have with that hope, but those are not the same.

 

[Paine]

I didn't get those insinuations but, in fairness, I wasn't likely to. I do think that I would have gotten some of that it it was an actual subtext. I'm not buying that a lot of of people voted for him on that premise. They might have with that hope, but those are not the same.

Fair enough. There is debate about it. It was a shrewd political move by Biden to leave it ambiguous. Didn’t end up paying off in the end.

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/03/biden-campaign-democrats-pledge-one-term

 

[Zoo_View]

Okay, so you’re just arguing semantics now. My opinion is clear.

It’s not semantics.

I was taught in 9th grade to not preface opinions with, “I think….” or “to be honest” or “I genuinely….”

You’re writing or speaking…..state your opinion…..

And, if you say something like, “To be honest…..,” I’m convinced you’re lying.

 

[Bobfripp]

Strongly disagree. I think it puts the Dems in a much stronger position if Biden announces he’s a one-term prez. It would’ve allowed time for our deep bench to mount their own campaigns, and we could’ve seen who’s ideas came out on top.

Again, Biden heavily insinuated during the campaign that he would be a one-term “bridge” to the next generation of Democratic leadership. A lot of people voted for him on this premise. I don’t think people would’ve felt some great betrayal. He could’ve used all his energy to make a difference in 4 years and then handed it off.

I don't recall Biden heavily insinuating during the campaign that he would be a one-term president. That seems like an insinuation that would have sunk his candidacy from the start. Who wants to vote for a 'caretaker' President?

 

[Paine]

It’s not semantics.

I was taught in 9th grade to not preface opinions with, “I think….” or “to be honest” or “I genuinely….”

You’re writing or speaking…..state your opinion…..

And, if you say something like, “To be honest…..,” I’m convinced you’re lying.

This is an internet message board, not an essay.

 

[Paine]

I don't recall Biden heavily insinuating during the campaign that he would be a one-term president. That seems like an insinuation that would have sunk his candidacy from the start. Who wants to hire a 'caretaker' President?

It’s sort of implicit in him being 78 at the time of inauguration. He insinuated it multiple times without coming right out saying it. Doesn’t matter anymore, so I don’t really care to argue about it.

 

[Zoo_View]

Strongly disagree. I think it puts the Dems in a much stronger position if Biden announces he’s a one-term prez. It would’ve allowed time for our deep bench to mount their own campaigns, and we could’ve seen who’s ideas came out on top.

Again, Biden heavily insinuated during the campaign that he would be a one-term “bridge” to the next generation of Democratic leadership. A lot of people voted for him on this premise. I don’t think people would’ve felt some great betrayal. He could’ve used all his energy to make a difference in 4 years and then handed it off.

January 21, 2021…….Joe Biden announces, “I’m not going to run for re-election.”

Does anything pass? Infrastructure? Ukraine support? Microchips? Judges/justices?

I doubt it.

If Biden announces in 2021 that he’s not running for re-election, who wins the nomination AND the general election?

 

[Paine]

January 21, 2021…….Joe Biden announces, “I’m not going to run for re-election.”

Does anything pass? Infrastructure? Ukraine support? Microchips? Judges/justices?

I doubt it.

If Biden announces in 2021 that he’s not running for re-election, who wins the nomination AND the general election?

All questions that could’ve been answered had he done it. That’s the point of a primary. Now, we’re stuck with Trump because of his hubris.

What’s the argument for nothing passing if Biden says he’s a one-term president? I really don’t follow that.

 

[stankeylegjones]

It’s not semantics.

I was taught in 9th grade to not preface opinions with, “I think….” or “to be honest” or “I genuinely….”

You’re writing or speaking…..state your opinion…..

And, if you say something like, “To be honest…..,” I’m convinced you’re lying.

You are weirdly taking offense to this, why? Just let it go. We all know what Paine meant.

 

[Zoo_View]

All questions that could’ve been answered had he done it. That’s the point of a primary. Now, we’re stuck with Trump because of his hubris.

What’s the argument for nothing passing if Biden says he’s a one-term president? I really don’t follow that.

I appreciate many of your posts.

I appreciate your passion.

Your socialist naïveté has tired me. I’m out.

 

[Carolina Fever]

Can't make someone see the truth is roughly half of the population are either stupid, horrible, greedy, or some combo of them all.

 

[aGDevil2k]

All questions that could’ve been answered had he done it. That’s the point of a primary. Now, we’re stuck with Trump because of his hubris.

What’s the argument for nothing passing if Biden says he’s a one-term president? I really don’t follow that.

He should have announced it in December 2022

 

[superrific]

It’s not semantics.

I was taught in 9th grade to not preface opinions with, “I think….” or “to be honest” or “I genuinely….”

And, if you say something like, “To be honest…..,” I’m convinced you’re lying.

That's a very poor assumption. I write "to be honest" and when I do, I'm not lying. Usually that phrase means, "I'm going to say something that perhaps neither of us really expect"

What you were taught in ninth grade was eons ago. If it was ever valid (it is in writing, though not universal; in conversation it's never been true), it isn't necessarily valid now