Why Did Republicans Abandon Conservatism?

[ZenMode]

Of course it could. You're not ever going to find me defending the goodness and selflessness of human. I've known way to many of them. You are the one that made the blanket implication that those benefits were the main reason. That's stupid for so many reasons. However, it would be a waste of time to explain them to you because you don't care and don't listen. So, I went with the one liner.

I didn't say anything about "main reason". I'm fact, I did say that it only happened twice in a decade and a LOT of women have come and gone during that time.

 

[ZenMode]

It would apply to say being the General Manager of a division within a company. If a woman is GM for division one and a man for division two and the woman’s division does better she should make more. Maybe the base salaries are the same, but she would be better compensated when it comes to a yearly bonus for example.

That would make sense, but bonuses aren't always performance based or, if they are, it could be based on a percentage of salary or any other variables.

I do know that the data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics is not diving anywhere close to that deep and I've never seen a broad study that gets that in depth.

 

[Healing]

It would actually be great if that were true, but the problem runs way deeper than Trump personally.

Correct.

JD Vance is meeting with the modern iteration of the German Nazi party. US government platform was written by an anti-democratic, white-christonationalist organization. Techtheocrats are actively undermining world financial systems, to consolidate unprecedented financial power within 1% of 1% of 1% of the population.

These malignancies have allied to effectively create a steadily conglomerating body of anti-social malevolence, supported by millions of populists with too little knowledge and too much hate to see the impending crumbling. This is an overthrow of the US constitutional order (i.e. death of the US), with aims at a global autocratic hegemony, and they have the biggest guns. I'm reading up on resistance movements, and psychologically preparing myself for a life no longer defined by the cycle of growth, education, career/social contribution, retirement, enjoy the spoils, death.

 

[farce©]

At this point, there is no fascism. There isn't even a constitutional crisis yet.

So the only way to prevent the loss of our democracy is to lose it. Got it.

 

[Paine]

I'm reading up on resistance movements, and psychologically preparing myself for a life no longer defined by the cycle of growth, education, career/social contribution, retirement, enjoy the spoils, death.

Probably a smart thing for all of us to do. The worst thing we can do is wallow in a lack of hope, but it goes to the cynicism exchange we had a few days ago.

I come back to this: these reactionaries across the globe are playing with forces that they don’t fully understand. No one knows how this is going to play out in the end. It’s smart to be prepared for the worst, but it’s also important to realize that these people don’t have all the power, and they never will.

We’re never going to go back to a time of human history that predates the Enlightenment and revolution, as much as they want us to. The human spirit naturally rebels against this condition.

 

[finesse]

I didn't say anything about "main reason". I'm fact, I did say that it only happened twice in a decade and a LOT of women have come and gone during that time.

Look up the word implication.

 

[wmheel1287]

Probably a smart thing for all of us to do. The worst thing we can do is wallow in a lack of hope, but it goes to the cynicism exchange we had a few days ago.

I come back to this: these reactionaries across the globe are playing with forces that they don’t fully understand. No one knows how this is going to play out in the end. It’s smart to be prepared for the worst, but it’s also important to realize that these people don’t have all the power, and they never will.

We’re never going to go back to a time of human history that predates the Enlightenment and revolution, as much as they want us to. The human spirit naturally rebels against this condition.

The issue is timeline. Very few of us have a long enough time remaining on this planet to see this circle come back around. We will be talking about a 30-40 year rebuild of society after this mess comes to its likely violent conclusion.

 

[superrific]

Even if the woman took the job so she would have maternity coverage for a planned pregnancy, why would that be a bad thing? I’m not aware of many companies that would see it as a bad thing, as long the woman is qualified to do the job for which she was hired.

This guy has gone down the following path:

1. Gender pay gap isn't real because it's just simple division
2. OK, I guess the research controls for a few things, but the pay gap is actually about different roles
3. OK, I guess the research also accounts for different roles, but you can't prove that the pay gap is about discrimination
4. OK, I guess there is a lot of discrimination, but you see, two women at my company allegedly became pregnant after receiving benefits so I was right all along!#!1!1

Once again, he is who is -- he's derailed the thread. I participated in the derailing, which is my fault. Let's get it back.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

I try not to put posters on ignore, but I did to Zen a couple of weeks ago when I finally got sick and tired of his schtick of deliberately taking threads off tangent while arguing in circles and being deliberately dense. He never argues in good faith, he's just a more sophisticated troll who loves playing devil's advocate and seeing how many threads he can derail. And to be honest I don't think I've missed a thing, as his arguments are rarely serious or have a point beyond trolling.

 

[Paine]

The issue is timeline. Very few of us have a long enough time remaining on this planet to see this circle come back around. We will be talking about a 30-40 year rebuild of society after this mess comes to its likely violent conclusion.

So what’s the implication of that? That you shouldn’t care or try because you won’t be here to see it? It has been a fairly recent phenomenon for people to expect a better standard of living in their lifetime, but that didn’t stop people fighting for it.

 

[wmheel1287]

So what’s the implication of that? That you shouldn’t care or try because you won’t be here to see it? It has been a fairly recent phenomenon for people to expect a better standard of living in their lifetime, but that didn’t stop people fighting for it.

No implication whatsoever of intent. Merely an explanation of the cynicism. For those of us caught in the middle of the maelstrom of the extremes of populism, it's sort of hard to see how our efforts do much good. Hell, for all I know, the things I've tried to do right over the last two decades have made it all worse, not better.

My issue with fighting for a better path is that I no longer see that there is a viable path nor the ways to get there. All I can do on a personal level is to treat others with respect and kindness while trying to prevent myself from being one of the casualties of this cultural war that so many seem intent to have.

As for this supposed "fairly recent phenomenon", I'm not so sure of that and even if true, those folks had progeny and family beyond their own years to worry about. I do not. End of the line for me, my family, etc. I've spent nearly as many years as you've been alive fighting like hell for other peoples' kids to have a better path. I'm tired of the battle because it's become clear to me that we lost the war.

 

[finesse]

So what’s the implication of that? That you shouldn’t care or try because you won’t be here to see it? It has been a fairly recent phenomenon for people to expect a better standard of living in their lifetime, but that didn’t stop people fighting for it.

I'm not sure what you mean by fairly recent. On the surface, I would argue that's it's been a reasonable and common expectation since the time of the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution. Been a pretty bumpy road with dead ends and detours.

You could even say much of it started when the Black Death created such a labor shortage that serfdom ended and the rise of a middle class started.

 

[Paine]

No implication whatsoever of intent. Merely an explanation of the cynicism. For those of us caught in the middle of the maelstrom of the extremes of populism, it's sort of hard to see how our efforts do much good. Hell, for all I know, the things I've tried to do right over the last two decades have made it all worse, not better.

My issue with fighting for a better path is that I no longer see that there is a viable path nor the ways to get there. All I can do on a personal level is to treat others with respect and kindness while trying to prevent myself from being one of the casualties of this cultural war that so many seem intent to have.

Could it be that part of the issue is your characterization of being caught in a maelstrom between two extremes?

I'm not sure what you mean by fairly recent. On the surface, I would argue that's it's been a reasonable and common expectation since the time of the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution. Been a pretty bumpy road with dead ends and detours.

You could even say much of it started when the Black Death created such a labor shortage that serfdom ended and the rise of a middle class started.

That is what I mean by fairly recently. The Enlightenment is quite recent in human history.

 

[finesse]

That's reasonable. Just wanted to be sure.

Just have run into a number of arguments on the internet in lo so many years where people act as if real history started about five years after they were born. Didn't think you were that guy but...

 

[ZenMode]

So the only way to prevent the loss of our democracy is to lose it. Got it.

No democracy has been lost.

 

[farce©]

No democracy has been lost.

The whizzing sound you heard was point going right over your head.

 

[farce©]

No democracy has been lost.

 

[ZenMode]

The whizzing sound you heard was point going right over your head.

There isn't even a threat of fascism. Trump & Co. are complying with court rulings. When they start saying the opposite, "We are going to ignore the court and do what we want", then we have a constitutional crisis.

 

[farce©]

There isn't even a threat of fascism. Trump & Co. are complying with court rulings. When they start saying the opposite, "We are going to ignore the court and do what we want", then we have a constitutional crisis.

They are just attempting to impeach the judges. I’m sure judges aren’t feeling any intimidation.

Are USAID funds flowing?

 

[ZenMode]

This guy has gone down the following path:

1. Gender pay gap isn't real because it's just simple division
2. OK, I guess the research controls for a few things, but the pay gap is actually about different roles
3. OK, I guess the research also accounts for different roles, but you can't prove that the pay gap is about discrimination
4. OK, I guess there is a lot of discrimination, but you see, two women at my company allegedly became pregnant after receiving benefits so I was right all along!#!1!1

Once again, he is who is -- he's derailed the thread. I participated in the derailing, which is my fault. Let's get it back.

The gender pay gap is real, but there's no current reason to believe it's about discrimination based on gender.