GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

[Zoo_View]

Imagine the obscene arrogance and lack of self-awareness to not only refuse to participate in the democratic process, but to then blame the side that lost for the negative result.

I expect that poaster votes; he/she votes MAGA.

 

[uncjhodges]

this is why your side lost and you are in the minority and the rest of us are stuck with a goddamn lying conman again as leader of the free world with the house, senate and supreme court. maybe look in the mirror, assclown.

I don’t think me calling a guy who thinks his daughter having to be respectful of people different than her is some travesty an asshole is the reason the Democrats lost the election.
Hit dogs holler though

 

[nycfan]

Surely not — I do have to see this one to believe they are going that far.

 

[ZenMode]

At this point, if Trump appointed Stuart Rhodes and Enrique Tarrio to the Capitol Police Board maga would erupt in cheers and the remaining mainstream congressional pubs would supplicate.

There is no bottom.

Because they're patriots! Duh!

 

[wmheel1287]

I do not know any, other than a sibling of one of my wife’s friends that I have only met once.

If I did, I would likely use their preferred pronouns out of respect to them.

Of all the things I listed - pronouns, sports, bathrooms - pronouns is the one that is the easiest to play along with even if it’s a little silly because there is really no harm or danger to it.

With all of this, I’m way more worried about what kind of silly world my daughters will be growing up in than I am about me needing to refer to someone by whatever pronoun they decide they want to go by at the time.

If you were really worried about the world your daughters will grow up in, the last thing you would do is vote for Donald Trump. He will quite literally destroy any chance they have at a reasonable future and laugh in your face about it.

 

[OGtruthhurts]

If you were really worried about the world your daughters will grow up in, the last thing you would do is vote for Donald Trump. He will quite literally destroy any chance they have at a reasonable future and laugh in your face about it.

dont forget steal every penny from him and laughs while his family starves

 

[rodoheel]

I never said it’s all about women’s sports for me. For me the core issue with the transgender stuff is expecting the general public to play along with it.

I don’t care what gender people identify as, but don’t force society play along.

So how do you feel about put this executive order, HY?

Ending Radical Indoctrination in K-12 Schooling

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose and

www.whitehouse.gov

This order would force schools and teachers to refuse to acknowledge a trans person’s gender identity, or face losing deferral funding. You say you don’t support anything that compels society to accept someone’s gender identity. What about compelling people to deny that identity? You think if a male student asks the teacher to use female pronouns and the teacher does so, the school should lose federal funding?

 

[superrific]

Surely not — I do have to see this one to believe they are going that far.

And it was put out today. There is no bottom. This is why we have a First Am. This order will be blocked post haste.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

So how do you feel about put this executive order, HY?

Ending Radical Indoctrination in K-12 Schooling

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose and

www.whitehouse.gov

This order would force schools and teachers to refuse to acknowledge a trans person’s gender identity, or face losing deferral funding. You say you don’t support anything that compels society to accept someone’s gender identity. What about compelling people to deny that identity? You think if a male student asks the teacher to use female pronouns and the teacher does so, the school should lose federal funding?

I’m somewhere between this executive order and where you likely are.

I absolutely don’t think a teacher should be forced to play along with someone’s gender confusion. Particularly in younger grades (at least up to age 14 or so, perhaps longer) where it’s borderline child abuse in my opinion for society to play along with a boy who thinks he is a girl or vice versa.

That said, you can be on one side on the actual social issue (boys are boys and girls are girls) and still say it’s overreach by the government to pull federal funding if a teacher doesn’t fall in line with that line of thinking. Hence why this EO will likely be found illegal, no?

So here’s where I fall, summed up:

1) Teacher shouldn’t have to play along and it’s borderline dangerous for them to play along, no matter how self-righteous they may feel by recognizing all 73 genders or whatever.

2) Government shouldn’t pull funding if teacher does decide to play along.

 

[superrific]

1) Teacher shouldn’t have to play along and it’s borderline dangerous for them to play along, no matter how self-righteous they may feel by recognizing all 73 genders or whatever.

Why do you have such disdain for science and modern medicine? It is beyond reasonable debate that there are more than two genders. It's not even a close question. It's also been around for a very long time:

Third gender - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[roostra]

You understand that using a transgender minor's preferred pronouns is directly correlated with a substantially decreased suicide risk right?

How is it "dangerous" for a teacher to refer to someone the way they request?

 

[farce©]

I’m somewhere between this executive order and where you likely are.

I absolutely don’t think a teacher should be forced to play along with someone’s gender confusion. Particularly in younger grades (at least up to age 14 or so, perhaps longer) where it’s borderline child abuse in my opinion for society to play along with a boy who thinks he is a girl or vice versa.

That said, you can be on one side on the actual social issue (boys are boys and girls are girls) and still say it’s overreach by the government to pull federal funding if a teacher doesn’t fall in line with that line of thinking. Hence why this EO will likely be found illegal, no?

So here’s where I fall, summed up:

1) Teacher shouldn’t have to play along and it’s borderline dangerous for them to play along, no matter how self-righteous they may feel by recognizing all 73 genders or whatever.

2) Government shouldn’t pull funding if teacher does decide to play along.

No one suggests requiring teachers to “play along” as you so callously say. This FORBIDS teachers from using a student’s preferred gender. It is massive overreach, and your mischaracterization of the issue as “I don’t think teachers should be forced to play along with someone’s gender confusion” and your “73 genders” cheap shot is demeaning and completely misses the fucking point. I really don’t think you are this simple-minded, but you keep trying to convince you are.

 

[JCTarheel82]

No one suggests requiring teachers to “play along” as you so callously say. This FORBIDS teachers from using a student’s preferred gender. It is massive overreach, and your mischaracterization of the issue as “I don’t think teachers should be forced to play along with someone’s gender confusion” and your “73 genders” cheap shot is demeaning and completely misses the fucking point. I really don’t think you are this simple-minded, but you keep trying to convince you are.

Beat me to it. The dismissive and degrading language used belies his purported moderate position on the issue.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

You understand that using a transgender minor's preferred pronouns is directly correlated with a substantially decreased suicide risk right?

How is it "dangerous" for a teacher to refer to someone the way they request?

A minor’s brain isn’t even close to fully developed. There are a lot of things they can’t do, as a result, because of their lack of judgment (drive a car, drink alcohol, etc.). Changing from boy to girl or vice versa is another one they obviously shouldn’t be able to do at an early age.

And clearly minors who are confused about their gender represent a particularly vulnerable subset of minors as far as mental health goes.

Adults playing along and pretending it’s all normal are not doing those kids the favor they think they are.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

No one suggests requiring teachers to “play along” as you so callously say. This FORBIDS teachers from using a student’s preferred gender. It is massive overreach, and your mischaracterization of the issue as “I don’t think teachers should be forced to play along with someone’s gender confusion” and your “73 genders” cheap shot is demeaning and completely misses the fucking point. I really don’t think you are this simple-minded, but you keep trying to convince you are.

I think it’s good practice for teachers to refer to their students based on their biological sex assigned at birth. I don’t actually think teachers or schools should be punished for doing the opposite. But I would rather a teacher be punished for playing along than for not playing along. But really it should be left up to the individual teacher to either play along or not.

 

[roostra]

A minor’s brain isn’t even close to fully developed. There are a lot of things they can’t do, as a result, because of their lack of judgment (drive a car, drink alcohol, etc.). Changing from boy to girl or vice versa is another one they obviously shouldn’t be able to do at an early age.

And clearly minors who are confused about their gender represent a particularly vulnerable subset of minors as far as mental health goes.

Adults playing along and pretending it’s all normal are not doing those kids the favor they think they are.

Peer-reviewed scientific studies literally say that a transgender minor's risk of suicide and risk of severe depression decreases by over 50% if they are called by their preferred name and pronouns. That seems like a pretty big favor to do for them.

Again, what is the danger if you use their preferred name and pronouns. Like, what specifically will happen to the minor if you address them this way? (and if you can provide your basis for believing whatever the danger is, that would be even better)

 

[farce©]

Again with the “playing along” nonsense. Spend 4 minutes of your time reading this brief overview from the Cleveland Clinic before you continue down this path.

 

[StrangePackage]

Again with the “playing along” nonsense. Spend 4 minutes of your time reading this brief overview from the Cleveland Clinic before you continue down this path.

No man. He "thinks" something, and his ignorance is every bit as good as someone else's expertise.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

Peer-reviewed scientific studies literally say that a transgender minor's risk of suicide and risk of severe depression decreases by over 50% if they are called by their preferred name and pronouns. That seems like a pretty big favor to do for them.

Again, what is the danger if you use their preferred name and pronouns. Like, what specifically will happen to the minor if you address them this way? (and if you can provide your basis for believing whatever the danger is, that would be even better)

I don’t doubt that most kids are happier and less depressed when the grown ups in their life let them do whatever they want to do. Sometimes we have to do things that are in our kids’ long term best interests instead of prioritizing their short term happiness.

The data you cited about suicides is tragic, but it also doesn’t tell the full story. First of all there is a chicken and egg scenario between high suicide rates and being transgender. Does having people not accept your transgenderism really drive the suicides? Or is the mental illness of depression correlated with the mental illness of gender identity disorder in the first place?

The data you cited also doesn’t tell us what happens to the vast majority of people struggling with this confusion who don’t end up committing suicide, and whether the “average” life outcome of those folks is better for people whose parents gently nudged them back to a more traditional life instead of letting them decide at age 10 that they can change their gender.

 

[Calheel]

I think it’s good practice for teachers to refer to their students based on their biological sex assigned at birth. I don’t actually think teachers or schools should be punished for doing the opposite. But I would rather a teacher be punished for playing along than for not playing along. But really it should be left up to the individual teacher to either play along or not.

Ok Heelyeah, this video is an hour long, and Cody does get linked on this board quite a lot, and yes he is definitely quite progressive. That said, I really strongly encourage you to take an hour of your time this weekend to watch the video and just think about some of the points he makes. And maybe even read some of the studies he cites and critiques. You don’t have to agree with everything he says, but you would be a better person and citizen if you at least thought about some of these points.