GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

[ZenMode]

Invalidating passports and passport applications based on a characteristic of a person seems punitive and quite serious, though the cancellation of active passports is worse.

Maybe a little punitive. If you want to stick to the science of sex as far as filling out government docs, I would have started that policy going forward, not retroactively, but the comparison to Nazi Germany is just silly.

 

[SmilingJack]

 

[OGtruthhurts]

Good God you’re a callous asshole

this is why your side lost and you are in the minority and the rest of us are stuck with a goddamn lying conman again as leader of the free world with the house, senate and supreme court. maybe look in the mirror, assclown.

 

[nycfan]

Trump Signs Order Restricting Gender-Affirming Treatments for Minors

The directive built on a string of recent actions to roll back federal protections and services for transgender people.

www.nytimes.com

“… The most recent order set as official policy that the federal government not “fund, sponsor, promote, assist, or support the so-called ‘transition’ of a child from one sex to another.”

It directed the Department of Health and Human Services to review the terms of insurance coverage under Medicare, Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act to end some gender-affirming care.

It also gave the department 90 days to release a new set of best practices, meant to revise guidance from the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, which was written to set standards for transgender medical care, and which the order called “junk science.”

It tasked agencies providing federal research or education grants to medical institutions, including medical schools and hospitals, with ensuring that those institutions were not carrying out any gender-related procedures.

And it directed the Federal Employees Health Benefits and Postal Service Health Benefits programs to exclude similar types of coverage starting in 2026.

Civil rights groups have issued increasingly dire statements criticizing the administration for a stance they say widely demonizes and marginalizes transgender people.

“Access to gender-affirming care enables trans youth to live authentically and is often life-saving,” Fatima Goss Graves, the president of the National Women’s Law Center, said in a statement.

“The Trump administration’s continued assault on the rights and dignity of trans people is deplorable.” …”

 

[CFordUNC]

this is why your side lost and you are in the minority and the rest of us are stuck with a goddamn lying conman again as leader of the free world with the house, senate and supreme court. maybe look in the mirror, assclown.

^ If Cialis could post on a message board….

 

[aGDevil2k]

At this point, if Trump appointed Stuart Rhodes and Enrique Tarrio to the Capitol Police Board maga would erupt in cheers and the remaining mainstream congressional pubs would supplicate.

There is no bottom.

 

[WaynetheDrain]

this is why your side lost and you are in the minority and the rest of us are stuck with a goddamn lying conman again as leader of the free world with the house, senate and supreme court. maybe look in the mirror, assclown.

Imagine the obscene arrogance and lack of self-awareness to not only refuse to participate in the democratic process, but to then blame the side that lost for the negative result.

 

[Zoo_View]

Imagine the obscene arrogance and lack of self-awareness to not only refuse to participate in the democratic process, but to then blame the side that lost for the negative result.

I expect that poaster votes; he/she votes MAGA.

 

[uncjhodges]

this is why your side lost and you are in the minority and the rest of us are stuck with a goddamn lying conman again as leader of the free world with the house, senate and supreme court. maybe look in the mirror, assclown.

I don’t think me calling a guy who thinks his daughter having to be respectful of people different than her is some travesty an asshole is the reason the Democrats lost the election.
Hit dogs holler though

 

[nycfan]

Surely not — I do have to see this one to believe they are going that far.

 

[ZenMode]

At this point, if Trump appointed Stuart Rhodes and Enrique Tarrio to the Capitol Police Board maga would erupt in cheers and the remaining mainstream congressional pubs would supplicate.

There is no bottom.

Because they're patriots! Duh!

 

[wmheel1287]

I do not know any, other than a sibling of one of my wife’s friends that I have only met once.

If I did, I would likely use their preferred pronouns out of respect to them.

Of all the things I listed - pronouns, sports, bathrooms - pronouns is the one that is the easiest to play along with even if it’s a little silly because there is really no harm or danger to it.

With all of this, I’m way more worried about what kind of silly world my daughters will be growing up in than I am about me needing to refer to someone by whatever pronoun they decide they want to go by at the time.

If you were really worried about the world your daughters will grow up in, the last thing you would do is vote for Donald Trump. He will quite literally destroy any chance they have at a reasonable future and laugh in your face about it.

 

[OGtruthhurts]

If you were really worried about the world your daughters will grow up in, the last thing you would do is vote for Donald Trump. He will quite literally destroy any chance they have at a reasonable future and laugh in your face about it.

dont forget steal every penny from him and laughs while his family starves

 

[rodoheel]

I never said it’s all about women’s sports for me. For me the core issue with the transgender stuff is expecting the general public to play along with it.

I don’t care what gender people identify as, but don’t force society play along.

So how do you feel about put this executive order, HY?

Ending Radical Indoctrination in K-12 Schooling

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose and

www.whitehouse.gov

This order would force schools and teachers to refuse to acknowledge a trans person’s gender identity, or face losing deferral funding. You say you don’t support anything that compels society to accept someone’s gender identity. What about compelling people to deny that identity? You think if a male student asks the teacher to use female pronouns and the teacher does so, the school should lose federal funding?

 

[superrific]

Surely not — I do have to see this one to believe they are going that far.

And it was put out today. There is no bottom. This is why we have a First Am. This order will be blocked post haste.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

So how do you feel about put this executive order, HY?

Ending Radical Indoctrination in K-12 Schooling

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose and

www.whitehouse.gov

This order would force schools and teachers to refuse to acknowledge a trans person’s gender identity, or face losing deferral funding. You say you don’t support anything that compels society to accept someone’s gender identity. What about compelling people to deny that identity? You think if a male student asks the teacher to use female pronouns and the teacher does so, the school should lose federal funding?

I’m somewhere between this executive order and where you likely are.

I absolutely don’t think a teacher should be forced to play along with someone’s gender confusion. Particularly in younger grades (at least up to age 14 or so, perhaps longer) where it’s borderline child abuse in my opinion for society to play along with a boy who thinks he is a girl or vice versa.

That said, you can be on one side on the actual social issue (boys are boys and girls are girls) and still say it’s overreach by the government to pull federal funding if a teacher doesn’t fall in line with that line of thinking. Hence why this EO will likely be found illegal, no?

So here’s where I fall, summed up:

1) Teacher shouldn’t have to play along and it’s borderline dangerous for them to play along, no matter how self-righteous they may feel by recognizing all 73 genders or whatever.

2) Government shouldn’t pull funding if teacher does decide to play along.

 

[superrific]

1) Teacher shouldn’t have to play along and it’s borderline dangerous for them to play along, no matter how self-righteous they may feel by recognizing all 73 genders or whatever.

Why do you have such disdain for science and modern medicine? It is beyond reasonable debate that there are more than two genders. It's not even a close question. It's also been around for a very long time:

Third gender - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[roostra]

You understand that using a transgender minor's preferred pronouns is directly correlated with a substantially decreased suicide risk right?

How is it "dangerous" for a teacher to refer to someone the way they request?

 

[farce©]

I’m somewhere between this executive order and where you likely are.

I absolutely don’t think a teacher should be forced to play along with someone’s gender confusion. Particularly in younger grades (at least up to age 14 or so, perhaps longer) where it’s borderline child abuse in my opinion for society to play along with a boy who thinks he is a girl or vice versa.

That said, you can be on one side on the actual social issue (boys are boys and girls are girls) and still say it’s overreach by the government to pull federal funding if a teacher doesn’t fall in line with that line of thinking. Hence why this EO will likely be found illegal, no?

So here’s where I fall, summed up:

1) Teacher shouldn’t have to play along and it’s borderline dangerous for them to play along, no matter how self-righteous they may feel by recognizing all 73 genders or whatever.

2) Government shouldn’t pull funding if teacher does decide to play along.

No one suggests requiring teachers to “play along” as you so callously say. This FORBIDS teachers from using a student’s preferred gender. It is massive overreach, and your mischaracterization of the issue as “I don’t think teachers should be forced to play along with someone’s gender confusion” and your “73 genders” cheap shot is demeaning and completely misses the fucking point. I really don’t think you are this simple-minded, but you keep trying to convince you are.

 

[JCTarheel82]

No one suggests requiring teachers to “play along” as you so callously say. This FORBIDS teachers from using a student’s preferred gender. It is massive overreach, and your mischaracterization of the issue as “I don’t think teachers should be forced to play along with someone’s gender confusion” and your “73 genders” cheap shot is demeaning and completely misses the fucking point. I really don’t think you are this simple-minded, but you keep trying to convince you are.

Beat me to it. The dismissive and degrading language used belies his purported moderate position on the issue.