Racist! Misogynistic Country

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lightbluenc said:
I dont even think most Dems care one bit about social "wacko" stuff whatever that means. But Republicans will hammer it anyways.
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I don't see it as whaco stuff. When Georgia passes a law that nullifies my gay daughter's marriage, I'll remind everyone of not caring about the "social whaco stuff".

For me this was big, how did a racist get across to black and Latino men? How did a misoginist get women's votes?

His daily conversation hammered how he is against everyone that isn't exactly like him, how does this resonate beyond the white racist, homophobes, and incels?
 
jabra218 said:
Doubled the black and latino vote and women in NC helped win him the election.

All this means is black people and women in NC, likely your neighbors, coworkers, people you see at the grocery store, helped elect donald trump. Are they racist and misogynistic?
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Apparently yes.
 
Very simple answer. Exit polling tells us exactly what happened. The Economy (inflation) was listed as the biggest issue at number one by a VERY wide margin. We have known inflation was the biggest issue from the beginning.

Of those listing the economy #1, over 2/3 responded the Economy is weak or very bad. Less than a third answered good or very good.

Immigration listed as most important by 13%. Abortion got 11%. Harris and Dems' primary focus and expected path to victory was on abortion (listed by only 11%). Result, a Trump rout.

Harris and her election team royally screwed up and handed it to an absolutely awful candidate and option.

There was a months long thread on here praising the economy and diminishing the impact of inflation. I posted on it just a few times, but I was scratching my head how much the concern and struggles of average voters was being dismissed.

And that is the bottom line.
 
Trump has officially now won more than one demographic, "uneducated white males." I assume he now has won "uneducated white females." He also won the "Latino" demographic. Perhaps others.

Complete failure by Dem ticket.
 
UNCatTech said:
I don't see it as whaco stuff. When Georgia passes a law that nullifies my gay daughter's marriage, I'll remind everyone of not caring about the "social whaco stuff".

For me this was big, how did a racist get across to black and Latino men? How did a misoginist get women's votes?

His daily conversation hammered how he is against everyone that isn't exactly like him, how does this resonate beyond the white racist, homophobes, and incels?
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Because a lot of Latinos are racist. Why do you think Trump started shifting the skin color of the invaders? They were supposedly coming from Mexico, but then Venezuela. And then Congo. And Haiti. And of course they picked on the Haitians in Springfield.

The key to success with black men, of course, was the misogyny. Probably Latino voters as well. This has long been a paradox of democracy. How can you create a virtuous polity out of unvirtuous people?
 
Lando said:
That won’t happen and if it did it wouldn’t be productive. Currently talking to each other means liberals listening to conservatives and agreeing. Conservatives are not asked to consider liberal points of view.

Maybe things change with time but right now I’m not seeing any desire to fight or put things back together. People are tired. There is a lot of fear out there but exhaustion is everywhere. As a result they are just done with conservatives.
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I'm not describing what you are here. True, one sided conversations are not going to help, but if the dems don't work to understand the disconnect with voters then how do they expect to do any better in the future? Should they just hope trump ducks up so bad that voters come back?

Agree with the second paragraph, I'm exhausted, this has been a week from hell for me.
 
UNCatTech said:
I'm not describing what you are here. True, one sided conversations are not going to help, but if the dems don't work to understand the disconnect with voters then how do they expect to do any better in the future? Should they just hope trump ducks up so bad that voters come back?

Agree with the second paragraph, I'm exhausted, this has been a week from hell for me.
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One big step that the conservatives have to take and probably first is to accept that the right wing media deserves to be challenged .I'm not saying that they need to put full faith in Mother Jones but they need to at least look at something like the Economist with an open mind. From my POV, they have their own reality. We have to agree on some sort of standard of evidence before we can talk about whys and wherefores or we are never going to get anywhere.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Trump made so many in-roads with blacks and Hispanics. Democrats need to get back to focusing on day to day issues and get away from the social wacko stuff.
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It’s not the democrats that are looking for social wacko stuff. The democrats basic position is that “all are created equal and deserve equal treatment.” When one group looks like they’re at the doorstep of normalcy, the republicans look for the next group that they can bully. And, in the process, paint the democrats as supporting wacko stuff.
 
UNCatTech said:
For me this was big, how did a racist get across to black and Latino men? How did a misoginist get women's votes?

His daily conversation hammered how he is against everyone that isn't exactly like him, how does this resonate beyond the white racist, homophobes, and incels?
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Don’t think of it in terms of race or gender. Instead, think of it in overly simple terms: bully, observers, and victims.


When pubs go after trans (or any other group), some African Americans and Hispanics see am opportunity to move from the victims to the observers if not to the bullies - anything to stop being the victim.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
Again, Trump gained ground in large percentages with African Americans and Latinos. That was a big reason why he won. How is that an indication of racism deciding the election?

As for "how can latinos/Hispanics support Trump when he attacks illegal immigrants and says they are poisoning the blood of Americans? Well, first of all, only legal immigrants can vote. They or their parents went through years of processing, waiting, mindless beaurocracy, and did it the legal way. They don't appreciate others jumping straight to the front of the line, just crossing the border and staying indefinitely,just like most Americans. Many also escaped leftist countries, and Trump's hyberbole or not about Marxist Commie Dems, they do fear a movement to the left and closer to what they escaped (even though Trump was the authoritarian candidate.)

Dems have taken the black and minority votes for granted for far too long. The claim of racism to explain every negative outcome for Dems does not help. Biden saying, "if you are Black and vote Republican, you aren't really black." So dumb and obviously showing the view that AA are mindless pawns and in the pockets of Dems. So incredibly stupid.
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There are a couple of major flaws in this argument.

First, you omit recognition of racism (and misogyny) among ethnic minorities. You might be surprised how many Blacks have a visceral antagonism to members of their race (see: John McWhorter, Candace Owens, that Sowell geezer).

Second, there is a vast history research evidencing high correlation to negative racial attitudes and affinity for the Republican Party (see: Southern Strategy)

Your argument is both disingenuous and obscurantist, perhaps because you don't like the self-inference. Most people are racist, though, but its prominence aligns with conservatism.
 
Awinisawin said:
Good point about the press. They did not do their job on this one. The more reputable sources by and large tried to treat each side evenly, and failed to delve with any significance into damaging Trump stories. When most certainly both sides were not equitable, either morally or capability wise. They absolutely abdicated their responsibility that they have espoused since the very beginning of our grand experiment.
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And yet the press deliberately censored stories damaging to biden in 20. Zuckerberg and twitter deliberately censored conservative voices to aid the dem party. CBS is rewriting her answers from it's interview to make her look less like an idiot. The amount of negative coverage of trump swamped the negative coverage of harris and biden. The 3 major late night show hosts are nothing but dem propaganda machines, as are msnbc, cnn, nbc, abc, npr, nyt, wapo, and 100 others. What you are really saying is that they weren't as corrupt as you would like them to be and that you care absolutely nothing about having an impartial press. Good to know. a democrat complaining about the press is the same as dook fans complaining about referees.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
Of course Center, we've all known that a large percentage of the hardcore MAGA party supporters are, at their core; racist, white nationalist and support christo-fascism. But that is not nearly enough to carry Trump over the finish line in any race.

I suspect the following fact is still true, the only demographic Trump has ever won is the "uneducated white male." He may have also picked up and won the "uneducated white female" this time, he has always been close there.

But I assume he still lost all other groups, just by less than before.
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As I say all of the above, it all can be true at the same time.
Zoo_View said:
I’m going with WAPO/NYTimes/ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/LATimes either genuflecting or openly supporting Trumpism.
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Yuppers. This will be the core "State-run-media" You'll only see positive Republican/Maga stuff from them (especially in the Op-ed pages) and only negative stuff about Dems and liberals
 
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