United Healthcare CEO shot and killed

BlooVooDoo said:
I’ve seen some surveys that suggest black Americans are less likely to report crime in general, ostensibly because they don’t think the police will actually do anything about it other than maybe hassle them.
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Apparently it's true that black Americans are less likely to report crime based on the United health CEO murderer survey and that seems like a reasonable idea about why. I'm just surprised.

And not to make it out like there's a large community of people that would let a murderer slide. The majority of both young people and black people would report this guy. I'm just surprised that there was such a large difference between whites and blacks on the intention to report.
 
4thgenheel said:
its not all necessarily sympathy.

its minding their own damn business because all too often when black folks call the police it ends up being a huge hassle and/or dangerous for them even if they've done nothing wrong.
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Part of my job involves attending neighborhood watch/community watch meetings, usually in heavily Black neighborhoods. The police send people to attend as well. Without fail, the (Black) people at those meetings beg and plead for more police activity in their neighborhoods. Granted, the demographic that attends these meetings skews older/retired and cares more about crime than your average person, but I don’t think it is a simple black/white issue.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Part of my job involves attending neighborhood watch/community watch meetings, usually in heavily Black neighborhoods. The police send people to attend as well. Without fail, the (Black) people at those meetings beg and plead for more police activity in their neighborhoods. Granted, the demographic that attends these meetings skews older/retired and cares more about crime than your average person, but I don’t think it is a simple black/white issue.
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i mean, dude....old people who take the time to attend community meetings about policing want more policing?

in other news, water is wet.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Part of my job involves attending neighborhood watch/community watch meetings, usually in heavily Black neighborhoods. The police send people to attend as well. Without fail, the (Black) people at those meetings beg and plead for more police activity in their neighborhoods. Granted, the demographic that attends these meetings skews older/retired and cares more about crime than your average person, but I don’t think it is a simple black/white issue.
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"I don’t think it is a simple black/white issue."

Is there such a thing as a "simple black/white issue?"
 
4thgenheel said:
BREAKING NEWS AT 10: old people who take the time to attend community meetings about policing want more policing.

in other news, water is wet.
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The flip is also true, though. No one has cared enough about over policing during the many years I have gone to these meetings to attend and ask for less policing, even though this would be a great time and place to do so.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
The flip is also true, though. No one has cared enough about over policing during the many years I have gone to these meetings to attend and ask for less policing, even though this would be a great time and place to do so.
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people who are doing crime or have family/friends doing crime or are worried about over policing aren't likely to publicly complain about policing and thereby ID themselves.

i think some of y'all are overthinking something that is very simple - black folks simply to not trust law enforcement nearly as much as white folks.
 
4thgenheel said:
people who are doing crime or have family/friends doing crime or are worried about over policing aren't likely to publicly complain about policing and thereby ID themselves.

i think some of y'all are overthinking something that is very simple - black folks simply to not trust law enforcement nearly as much as white folks.
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Is that really true? I could think of a couple other explanations for not wanting to call law enforcement than black people not trusting them. I suspect there are a number of different reasons for a number of different people as opposed to a blanket black people don't trust law enforcement. And that of course ignores the majority of black people that would have turned this murderer in according to this poll.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Is that really true? I could think of a couple other explanations for not wanting to call law enforcement than black people not trusting them. I suspect there are a number of different reasons for a number of different people as opposed to a blanket black people don't trust law enforcement. And that of course ignores the majority of black people that would have turned this murderer in according to this poll.
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You could think and suspect, or you could listen and learn. It isn't like the relationship between African Americans and law enforcement is some undiscovered county- there are myriad studies about opinions and engagement with law enforcement from African Americans and other ethnic groups, which could help guide your understanding.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Once again, I guess. But we're not talking about someone selling loose cigarettes or running an unlicensed lemonade stand. We're talking about someone that murdered someone.
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In addition to what others have already said about the relationship between black Americans and law enforcement, we're talking about someone who murdered a wealthy white CEO for a very specific reason that doesn’t apply broadly. I doubt many in the black community are concerned about being his next target.
 
JCTarheel82 said:
In addition to what others have already said about the relationship between black Americans and law enforcement, we're talking about someone who murdered a wealthy white CEO for a very specific reason that doesn’t apply broadly. I doubt many in the black community are concerned about being his next target.
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Sure, but most in the white community aren't either. There aren't that many healthcare executives. I can't think that's the reason for the difference in attitudes.
 
JCTarheel82 said:
It's not  the reason but a piece of the puzzle, imo. That's why I started my post with "in addition to...".
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I guess we don't know for sure but I'm just not seeing it. Seems like on a percentage basis there would be a roughly equal number of white Americans and black Americans that are not healthcare executives so any hesitancy to report a murder of those same healthcare executives for that reason should be roughly equal as well.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Is that really true? I could think of a couple other explanations for not wanting to call law enforcement than black people not trusting them. I suspect there are a number of different reasons for a number of different people as opposed to a blanket black people don't trust law enforcement. And that of course ignores the majority of black people that would have turned this murderer in according to this poll.
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lmao.

news.gallup.com

Black Americans Less Confident, Satisfied With Local Police

Black Americans continue to report less favorable attitudes than White adults toward policing, and interest in major police reform has also been steadily higher among Black adults.
news.gallup.com news.gallup.com

www.pewresearch.org

10 things we know about race and policing in the U.S.

Black adults are about five times as likely as whites to say they’ve been unfairly stopped by police because of their race or ethnicity.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org

Study reveals Black people have less trust in the police – The Justice Gap

www.thejusticegap.com www.thejusticegap.com

www.pbs.org

Two-thirds of black Americans don’t trust the police to treat them equally. Most white Americans do.

Community trust in law enforcement has eroded somewhat over the past few years, as police-involved killings of black people have come to national attention, prompting pain and outrage. The latest PBS NewsHour-NPR-Marist poll explores Americans' attitudes about policing, race and President Donald...
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org
 
Interesting to see this discussion just days after the final admission of lying by the Duke lacrosse accuser. The way we judge everything on the basis of race is so useless. Fortunately, the American justice system is blind to emotional blackmail and ideologically motivated reasoning
 
lawtig02 said:

"Mangione faces an 11-count indictment, including one count of murder in the first-degree and two counts of murder in the second-degree in connection with the fatal shooting of Thompson on December 4, along with other weapon and forgery charges, the indictment says."
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What's the legal background here? There is a first degree murder charge and two second degree murder charges but only one murder. I assume that has something to do with other factors like using a gun or something like that. Can anyone briefly explain it?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
What's the legal background here? There is a first degree murder charge and two second degree murder charges but only one murder. I assume that has something to do with other factors like using a gun or something like that. Can anyone briefly explain it?
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This is not going to answer your question, but under New York State law, 1st degree murder is defined with a bit more specificity than in many other states. Below is a link to the defining statute. I suspect in New York that if the authorities are not sure they can shoe-horn a murder into one of the specific categories, they also charge the person with second degree murder. That there is only one first degree murder charges might mean that the state, at this point, thinks this murder may only fit into one of the specified grounds, depending on where the evidence leads. Just a guess, but maybe Section xiii, terrorism.
Link: NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov
 
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gtyellowjacket said:
What's the legal background here? There is a first degree murder charge and two second degree murder charges but only one murder. I assume that has something to do with other factors like using a gun or something like that. Can anyone briefly explain it?
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I’m glad I’m not the only one that was confused. 3 counts of murder for 1 dead body??
 
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