Congratulations to President Trump

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ChapelHillSooner said:
I read where someone predicted that Trump will broker a deal offering eastern Ukraine to Russia with an agreement on both sides to end the conflict.

Ukraine might go for it because they know they will no longer have help from the US. Russia might go for it because it allows him a way to stop the conflict and present it as a victory.

Also, Russia can just wait a time for Ukraine to lower its defensive posture and attack again.

The whole idea makes me throw up because the lack of support from the US would force Ukraine to give major concessions. Trump would present it as some sort genius move but it would essentially be him giving away much of Ukraine to Russia.
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You don't actually think ukraine can win in the long term do you? Even if russia pulled out now, which they wouldn't, they will just re-invade down the road and it's back to square one with russia eventually taking all of ukraine. If ukraine can live with it and there are protections put in place to prevent russia from invading again and it ends the war then that's a win for the US and world stability
 
Callatoroy said:
You don't actually think ukraine can win in the long term do you? Even if russia pulled out now, which they wouldn't, they will just re-invade down the road and it's back to square one with russia eventually taking all of ukraine. If ukraine can live with it and there are protections put in place to prevent russia from invading again and it ends the war then that's a win for the US and world stability
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Somewhere Neville Chamberlain is smiling...
 
Zero per cent chance Trump actually imposes - across the board - broad tariffs on imports. He uses them for leverage in negotiations and to send a signal to US companies to bring some manufacturing back to the US. I’ve already seen reports that US companies are now making plans to bring factories back to the US based upon the fear of these tariffs. COVID showed us that we can’t rely too much on Chinese manufactured goods.
 
Callatoroy said:
You don't actually think ukraine can win in the long term do you? Even if russia pulled out now, which they wouldn't, they will just re-invade down the road and it's back to square one with russia eventually taking all of ukraine. If ukraine can live with it and there are protections put in place to prevent russia from invading again and it ends the war then that's a win for the US and world stability
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My caveat is I don't see it as Ukraine is, should be, on their own All of NATO should be concerned about Russia once again taking over a neighbor's land/citizens I think Ukraine could win-with the help of their neighbors-eventually troops, planes...Is that a huge risk? Yes
So is allowing russia to just take over countries
 
Callatoroy said:
Agree. It's the same people as the IC board which was heavily liberal. The big difference is that this board actually has competent moderation and thus is a far better board.
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Not according to Croatoan. He’s all butthurt.
 
Ramrouser said:
Zero per cent chance Trump actually imposes - across the board - broad tariffs on imports. He uses them for leverage in negotiations and to send a signal to US companies to bring some manufacturing back to the US. I’ve already seen reports that US companies are now making plans to bring factories back to the US based upon the fear of these tariffs. COVID showed us that we can’t rely too much on Chinese manufactured goods.
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Which companies are making plans to their bring manufacturing back to the US in anticipation of Trump’s promised tariffs?
 
1moretimeagain said:
Which companies are making plans to their bring manufacturing back to the US in anticipation of Trump’s promised tariffs?
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Axios reports that fashion company, Steve Madden, plans to slash its Chinese production 40-45% in response to Trump’s plans to impose Chinese tariffs.
This, just 3 days after Trump’s election.
 
Ramrouser said:
Zero per cent chance Trump actually imposes - across the board - broad tariffs on imports. He uses them for leverage in negotiations and to send a signal to US companies to bring some manufacturing back to the US. I’ve already seen reports that US companies are now making plans to bring factories back to the US based upon the fear of these tariffs. COVID showed us that we can’t rely too much on Chinese manufactured goods.
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Re-shoring was already happening due to Covid without tariffs. Why do you think there has been a massive boom in industrial and mega-site development?
 
Callatoroy said:
You don't actually think ukraine can win in the long term do you? Even if russia pulled out now, which they wouldn't, they will just re-invade down the road and it's back to square one with russia eventually taking all of ukraine. If ukraine can live with it and there are protections put in place to prevent russia from invading again and it ends the war then that's a win for the US and world stability
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They could win with support. Your kind was saying the war would be over in a matter of days three years ago.
 
Enigma94 said:
Re-shoring was already happening due to Covid without tariffs. Why do you think there has been a massive boom in industrial and mega-site development?
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Agree. My point/prediction is that Trump’s threat of tariffs will accelerate this.
 
Ramrouser said:
Agree. My point/prediction is that Trump’s threat of tariffs will accelerate this.
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BS. The last three years of industrial growth have surpassed any year prior to 2020:

"Across the U.S., 362.6 million square feet of industrial space was under construction as of September, representing 1.8% of stock, our latest industrial property market report shows. Year-to-date industrial completions have totaled 283.1 million square feet through the end of September. While the total amount of stock delivered this year represents a significant drop from the past two years, it will still surpass any annual total recorded in our database before 2020."

www.commercialedge.com

Reshoring Trends Shape Future Industrial Demand and Development Activity

East Coast port strike resolutions and reshoring trends are shifting U.S. trade dynamics, driving changes in industrial demand and supply.
www.commercialedge.com www.commercialedge.com

You don't get to claim every company moving operations to the US is a result of Trump's concepts of a plan.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
And he may be Trump's Attorney General. In other news, Callatoroy thinks him ruining the lives of liberals is perfectly OK and justified.
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See that's not what I said at all but then you appear to have no comprehension skills or are just lying. Either way sucks for you.
 
heelinhell said:
The American majority has spoken. The American majority supports Trump's plans for executing his political opponents and deporting brown immigrants.

I'm afraid the simple fact is you and I mistakenly thought our America was better than this. We are not.
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heelinhell said:
Somewhere Neville Chamberlain is smiling...
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I support the aid we have given to ukraine and I'm not in favor of ending it now. But, where is the end? Another 20 years ala russia in afghanistan? There has to be an end in sight otherwise a brokered deal is the best option. Now that nk has thrown their hat into the ring there is a new dynamic and our national interest in ukraine should be examined to gauge continuing the aid or not and what are the possibilities of brokering a deal. That would obviously put the US in a very strong influential situation.
 
Callatoroy said:
I support the aid we have given to ukraine and I'm not in favor of ending it now. But, where is the end? Another 20 years ala russia in afghanistan? There has to be an end in sight otherwise a brokered deal is the best option. Now that nk has thrown their hat into the ring there is a new dynamic and our national interest in ukraine should be examined to gauge continuing the aid or not and what are the possibilities of brokering a deal. That would obviously put the US in a very strong influential situation.
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You do get that both NK and Russia are long term sworn enemies ,don't you, and are never going to be anything else? We've never have done more to better our position against both for so little cost as what we've spent, not to mention living up to our commitments. How about let's doing it for 50 years? You'd do it for Randolph Scott, oops, I meant Israel.

Describe what this very strong influential situation is that is worth selling out our allies and giving aid and comfort to the enemy. This must be good.
 
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Callatoroy said:
I support the aid we have given to ukraine and I'm not in favor of ending it now. But, where is the end? Another 20 years ala russia in afghanistan? There has to be an end in sight otherwise a brokered deal is the best option. Now that nk has thrown their hat into the ring there is a new dynamic and our national interest in ukraine should be examined to gauge continuing the aid or not and what are the possibilities of brokering a deal. That would obviously put the US in a very strong influential situation.
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Over the past three years we've spent about one quarter of one year's worth of defense spending supporting Ukraine. Those proceeds have neutered our largest geo-political enemy. It might be the best defense money we've spent since WWII. Ukraine wants to fight. We've already seen what happens when you capitulate to Russia as we did when Ukraine and the rest of the world sat back as they took Crimea. They just waited until they had that portion digested and went for a bigger bite. If we allow that to succeed we are likely back here again in ten or less years as Russia looks for their next meal.
 
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